Mr LaPierre Speaking For Us

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    Mr LaPierre Speaking For Us

    Try to find the facts, hyperbole, innuendos in the following extract from the latest NRA email I got though I am not a member anymore!

    I left out the parts where if I do not give them more money I will be a subject to the UN.

    Again, I am always concerned about things. But this fear mongering type of emails are what drove me away from the NRA as a member.
    Yesterday I went to New York to testify before the United Nations to stop the Arms Trade Treaty...a treaty that could ban every rifle, pistol and shotgun you own...a treaty that could turn our God-given Right to Keep and Bear Arms into a U.N.-regulated privilege...

    ...A treaty that has the full support of President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who are eager to COOPERATE with the U.N.

    With the stroke of a pen, Obama invited Syria, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, and the world's worst tyrants and dictators to rewrite our Constitution and lay waste to the Second Amendment.
    Mr LaPierre says time is running out becasue the vote on the treaty at the UN is on 27 July. Anybody know if that is true? I honestly could not find it. Anyway, it does not matter when the UN votes on the language. It is when the US ratifies it then it may affect us.

    Point of all this is I just want the fact, not the fear mongering.
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    Alot of different opinions on this UN thing, but my thoughts on the NRA are that yeah, they may do a little fear mongering, but they have always been there for us since I can remember. The people that supported them, such as my grandfather, and others like them, with their hard earned dollars are the reason this forum is possible today and the reason we have not only held ground but advanced even after assault after assault on our rights.

    I remember the " fear mongering" they did before Clinton passed the Brady Bill. They turned out to be right.

    So, while I may not agree with every policy or everything they do or the way they go about it, I understand that the people in this country are complacent, lazy, and have no resolve, so maybe it takes a little " fear mongering" to get people off their lazy asses and heed the call to battle.

    It takes big money to be the spear head in these types of fights, and who ever brings the biggest guns wins the battle. And that means attorneys, and fees.

    So I'd say send them a check, and at least know you helped our most powerful organization do what they have been doing for a long time. Protect our rights.
    We owe at least that much to the great people before us that did the same.
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    BY ALL MEANS READ THE QUOTE BELOW:


    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Alot of different opinions on this UN thing, but my thoughts on the NRA are that yeah, they may do a little fear mongering, but they have always been there for us since I can remember. The people that supported them, such as my grandfather, and others like them, with their hard earned dollars are the reason this forum is possible today and the reason we have not only held ground but advanced even after assault after assault on our rights.

    I remember the " fear mongering" they did before Clinton passed the Brady Bill. They turned out to be right.

    So, while I may not agree with every policy or everything they do or the way they go about it, I understand that the people in this country are complacent, lazy, and have no resolve, so maybe it takes a little " fear mongering" to get people off their lazy asses and heed the call to battle.

    It takes big money to be the spear head in these types of fights, and who ever brings the biggest guns wins the battle. And that means attorneys, and fees.

    So I'd say send them a check, and at least know you helped our most powerful organization do what they have been doing for a long time. Protect our rights.
    We owe at least that much to the great people before us that did the same.
    That's about how I feel, and about as well-written as I've ever read. Thanks for posting.
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    I too think glockman stated it pretty well. For me it's just a matter of using a little fear mongering to battle the fear mongering from the other side of the fence. We seem to have lost track of the concept of moderation, everything has to be extreme these days. Just my .02.

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    I seem to recall reading yesterday or today that 60 Senators have flat out said they would not ratify this treaty. And that doesn't even begin to get into the fact that the SCOTUS has already ruled that a treaty does not supersede the Constitution.
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    Fear Mongering.

    A word that some people use to covince themselves that anything said about a particular subject is not true because it makes them uncomfortable when they think about what is being said.

    They dont like what is being printed so they automatically discount it all, facts included.

    In todays over stimulated,it everybodys fault but mine, you owe me, generation, feasr mongering is used as a tool to wake otherwise brain dead people up.
    In some cases it works, in others it does not.
    Others say..." its fear mongering, so its all false", choosing to remain ignorant of the facts.

    So be it.

    When our grandkids do not enjoy the freedoms and libertys that we did as kids growing up, one can that it was just all fear mongering and go on about their merry ways in an ignorant state of bliss like the other 80% of the population. Then they wont have to worry about such things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Fear Mongering.

    A word that some people use to covince themselves that anything said about a particular subject is not true because it makes them uncomfortable when they think about what is being said.

    They dont like what is being printed so they automatically discount it all, facts included.

    In todays over stimulated,it everybodys fault but mine, you owe me, generation, feasr mongering is used as a tool to wake otherwise brain dead people up.
    In some cases it works, in others it does not.
    Others say..." its fear mongering, so its all false", choosing to remain ignorant of the facts.

    So be it.

    When our grandkids do not enjoy the freedoms and libertys that we did as kids growing up, one can that it was just all fear mongering and go on about their merry ways in an ignorant state of bliss like the other 80% of the population. Then they wont have to worry about such things.
    How about this definition:
    Fear Mongering: used to convince lazy or ignorant minds to convince them the worst of something is about to befall them. Since they assume nobody has the brains to actually look up the facts they will exagerate any facts to lean their wasy or make worst case positions without facts but making it appear that the end result is exactly what they say.

    You tell me what in MR LaPierre's latest email is actually a fact or what he is trying to make folks afraid of? I expect more of an organization that wants my money to treat me as a mindless idiot who will not question what they say.

    I never have said everything the NRA says is wrong. I do not like the delivery. So DO not make it look like I have blinders on. I do not. But using ones brain is fun sometimes instead of following MR. LaPierre's warnings.

    And like I posted before....he will get folks wound up aboout something and when it does not happen he throws his cape on and claims if it was not for all the donations they got thinggs woould have turned out different. Pleezzz. Folks on this forum have brains..they do not need somebody crying the sky is falling every two seconds and if it is going to fall just please GIVE ME THE FACTS! ONLY THE FACTS! AND NOTHING BUT THE FACTS. It ain't so hard......
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    With the stroke of a pen, Obama invited Syria, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, and the world's worst tyrants and dictators to rewrite our Constitution and lay waste to the Second Amendment.
    That's just funny right there. Cuba! Cuba is one of the countries demanding that the treaty not interfere with the transfer of weapons inside a country. Wayne and Raul Castro singing the same tune. Who'da thought?

    ETA: Oh yeah, Hugo Chavez is right on board with them!
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    I agree with Suntzu. No way, no how is the UN going to supersede our constitution especially when the Senate would have to ratify any treaty. Mr LaPierre wants those dues to keep coming in so that there is enough money to pay his outrageous salary and finance his African safaris. His fearmomgering and hyperbole do not serve the gun owners--only the antis who try to paint gun owners as out-of-touch, unreasonable and unbalanced.

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    Yeah, I'm really starting to wonder about the NRA's motives... Click here to email your senator, oh and by the way - before we take you there why don't you donate $100 so we can save you from the evils of this world today!

    Not really sure he's speaking in my behalf with some of the letters/emails I've been reading.

    But... I bought a Taurus so this year's membership was on them. :)

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    What the NRA says dosent concern me as much as what our 545 elected officials in the Government do.

    Based on the record of their past practices in the last few years, that worrys me.
    Do I trust them to do the right thing?
    No.

    Everyone here is banking on the fact that the 100 members of the Senate still care enough of this country to pay attention. The same senate that had Madame Pelosi admit that she did not know what was in the health care bill, that we could to read it about it after it passed.

    And if the treaty is signed and the Senate does ratify it? Then what?
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    Then the people exercise their right to overthrow the government, which is already overly corrupt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    What the NRA says dosent concern me as much as what our 545 elected officials in the Government do.

    Based on the record of their past practices in the last few years, that worrys me.
    Do I trust them to do the right thing?
    No.

    Everyone here is banking on the fact that the 100 members of the Senate still care enough of this country to pay attention. The same senate that had Madame Pelosi admit that she did not know what was in the health care bill, that we could to read it about it after it passed.

    And if the treaty is signed and the Senate does ratify it? Then what?
    In Bold: That we can agree on 100 percent! The other part....I do not see how they will get 2/3rd to vote for it if it WILL affect gun ownership as we know it. Though I do not trust our politicians I do not see them losing a huge voting block on this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    What the NRA says dosent concern me as much as what our 545 elected officials in the Government do.

    Based on the record of their past practices in the last few years, that worrys me.
    Do I trust them to do the right thing?
    No.

    Everyone here is banking on the fact that the 100 members of the Senate still care enough of this country to pay attention. The same senate that had Madame Pelosi admit that she did not know what was in the health care bill, that we could to read it about it after it passed.

    And if the treaty is signed and the Senate does ratify it? Then what?

    ^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^


    Is a prime example of how these buffoons over in Disneyland on the Potomac operate.

    They think, after reading a couple pages of whatever it is they are going to vote on, and hearing what one of their aids take on the issue is, after THEY read maybe 1/2 the bill being proposed they will vote on it, because these matters are already laid out , they just have to give the appearance of going through the motions.
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    I will stand with the NRA now. The congress only listens to two things. Money, and a special interest group that convinces them that their political lives are at stake if they vote the wrong way. It takes financial support to do this.

    And in case some don't get it, they send out a blanket letter to everyone. Sure, you may not need, desire that approach, but others may. The letters are designed to work the masses.

    So for those of you that have your heads up your butts on this issue, take a good whiff, and get used to the smell, cause it will get alot worse if we lose this one.

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