July 31st, 2012 10:17 PM
parallel to gun control
Back in my hometown in rural Colorado, there once was a perfect trout stream and small lake on county property. It was open to all to use, even for fishing, provided you had a fishing license. This place was paradise to me. A good trout stream, barbeque grills, and a rest stop. You could spend all day fishing, then grill up anything you caught, and have fun around a fire until the park closed. Well, about 5 years ago, some local punks began doing graffiti on the walls of some of the buildings on this site. Then some windows were broken on an outbuilding and some tools stolen. Drug needles were found there, ostensibly from losers going there late at night to shoot up. After a few months, the county decided to close up the whole place and fence in the area with an 8 foot chain link fence. No more trout fishing on the little stream, no more barbequeing your fresh catch. And guess what? The graffiti continued as did the burglaries.
Long story short, all that was accomplished by closing the place was to keep the good people out. The bad people were not deterred by a fence; several holes were found cut in the fence with wire cutters.
Anyone see the parallel to stricter gun control?
August 1st, 2012 02:24 AM
This is exactly the same approach as gun control -- instead of simply punishing the criminals, everyone but the criminals are punished. If somebody is a vandal, thief, and druggie, why would anyone think a fence would keep them from trespassing?
August 1st, 2012 03:03 AM
Welcome to the new and improved America. Now days this is the norm on how local/state/federal government deals with things. Rather then attempt to find a solution to an issue they use a reaction to deal with it.
"One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation."
--Thomas B. Reed, American Attorney
Second Amendment -- Established December 15, 1791
and slowly eroded ever since What happened to "..... shall not be infringed."
August 1st, 2012 08:18 AM
Life has a way of revealing history and experiences to each of us. It becomes a wake-up call when you have the wisdom to realize the similarities that can parallel another issue. Congratulations, you've heard a "warning shot".
The next step is to become very active, motivate others, recruit help and be a part of doing something about it.
Turn the election's in 2014 to a "2A Revolution". It will serve as a 1994 refresher not to "infringe" on our Second Amendment. We know who they are now.........SEND 'EM HOME. Our success in this will be proportional to how hard we work to make it happen.
August 1st, 2012 08:30 AM
I'd rather be lucky than good any day
There's nothing that will change someone's moral outlook quicker than cash in large sums.
Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.
August 1st, 2012 08:38 AM
The moral decay of society,there was a time when people were ashamed,today if you say anything their response is to bull up and threaten people,I don't read the bible,but it sure seems like when people talk about God cleansing the earth of all the evil I think it's getting real close to that time,maybe Katrina was a wake up call
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
August 1st, 2012 09:16 AM
Excellent thread indeed. Got me thinking. Thanks.
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August 1st, 2012 02:09 PM
That is a sad, sad story. The even more sad part is that the people who shut down the park (government types) don't see the problem with their strategy. All they can do is try to pass more laws and restrictions that will only hinder the people they are supposed to be serving.
August 1st, 2012 02:18 PM
Good analogy - thanks for sharing !!
Originally Posted by Bazinga
CW5 Retired, Master Army Aviator and MTFE (1970-2005).
August 1st, 2012 06:07 PM
Any mentality that punishes everyone for the actions of a few is thinking along the exact same levels as the gun controllers. Simple, and immoral, as that.
August 1st, 2012 08:11 PM
You obviously don't understand history!
When alcohol was outlawed, violent crime dropped, prices on booze went down, and everyone got more peaceful.
When the war on drugs began, unregistered pharmacists soon lowered their prices, no longer violently guarded their inventory,
and the entire populace became more law-abiding.
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He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliott
The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
August 1st, 2012 10:13 PM
Part of the problem is our society has been weened on the premise of the quick fix. Got a headache, take a pill. Want to lose weight, take a pill. Got high blood-pressure, take a pill. People getting shot, ban guns. Drivers distracted, ban cell phones and texting. Our culture of violence will not be fixed by pills or gun bans. Our society is broken, ruined by generations of permissiveness, television and Hollywood violence, political correctness, drug and alcohol abuse, corruption and crime at the very highest level of our government, hypocrisy, greed and a general lack of religious conviction and personal accountability. It may well take generations and tremendous effort to turn this around and it might already be too late. Passing more laws are merely knee-jerk reactions and short-sighted attempts to put a band-aid on a cancer. But the first step is always properly identifying the problem, not a popular concept these days.
August 1st, 2012 10:34 PM
We are all just "one law away" from being a criminal. Someday, someone is going to post a law that is SO heinous and insulting to our moral fiber that we choose not to follow it.
We all break the speed limit once in a while, so what "new law" will you choose to ignore?
What level of criminal intent will go too far. Do you run a stop sign? How willing are you to "up the ante"?
Laws only effect those who choose to abide by them. Which new law are you willing to ignore?
August 2nd, 2012 02:42 AM
The simple truth: Bans don't stop those who ignore bans. Never have. Never will.
The only thing that stops a person from committing an evil is catching that person while doing it, then doing something effective about it.
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
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August 2nd, 2012 03:06 AM
Well put. Heres another issue for the matter of passing more laws. If the government wont enforce the ones already in place to punish crimminals, then what good will new laws be?
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