Australian Gun Law Update

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    Quote Originally Posted by peckman28 View Post
    I'm not a fan of emails like that. Gun control as crime control, or liberalization of guns as crime control....sorry, but I've seen no evidence that either really works all that well. The real "statistical" point is that gun control does not make anyone any safer in terms of crime, and that cannot be denied by any valid study. In the absence of even that level of evidence, gun control cannot be justified. And that's even before we get into the core of the issue, the fact that disarming people and telling them when they may or may not defend themselves from violence is utterly immoral and a blatant act of repression that no society claiming to value freedom should ever tolerate.

    The act of telling people they cannot defend themselves is against natural law, God given rights. Andrew Napolitano makes the argument for the natural law in a speech given at the Mises Institute, a recording of which is on YouTube. I highly recommend it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rdpG19 View Post
    If our country follows suit, can you imagine the rise in crime? UNBELIEVABLY OUT OF CONTROL!

    Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....
    From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

    Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real
    figures from Down Under.

    It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a
    new law to
    surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own
    government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
    more than $500 million dollars.

    The first year results are now in:
    Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
    Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
    Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

    In the state of Victoria
    alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that
    while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not
    and criminals still possess their guns!)
    While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
    decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically
    upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed
    that their prey is unarmed.
    There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
    assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

    Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
    safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
    expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....' You
    won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or
    members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

    The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
    hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control
    laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

    Take note Americans, before it's too late!
    Will you be one of the sheep to turn yours in?

    If Obama gets his way this is what would happen in the USA!!
    Preachin to the quire, brother....

    Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive
    Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?
    A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence.
    Din B. Kates* and Gary Mauser**


    The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.

    The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser - in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:

    Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population)
    .


    EDITORIAL: Guns decrease murder rates
    In Washington, the best defense is self-defense
    By THE WASHINGTON TIMES


    More guns in law-abiding hands mean less crime. The District of Columbia proves the point.

    <snip>

    Few who lived in Washington during the 1970s can forget the upswing in crime that started right after the ban was originally passed. In the five years before the 1977 ban, the murder rate fell from 37 to 27 murders per 100,000. In the five years after the gun ban went into effect, the murder rate rose back up to 35. One fact is particularly hard to ignore: D.C.'s murder rate fluctuated after 1976 but only once fell below what it was in 1976 before the ban. That aberration happened years later, in 1985.

    This correlation between the D.C. gun ban and diminished safety was not a coincidence. Look at the Windy City. Immediately after Chicago banned handguns in 1982, the murder rate, which had been falling almost continually for a decade, started to rise. Chicago's murder rate rose relative to other large cities as well. The phenomenon of higher murder rates after gun bans are passed is not just limited to the United States. Every single time a country has passed a gun ban, its murder rate soared.


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    Two Little Square Black Dogs: I do not have a gun... I am not a murderer

    ....The LA Times had an article about the The European disdain for America violence but shouldn't spend too much time congratulating themselves. In 2000 the rate at which people where assaulted was higher in England, Scotland, Finland, Denmark and Sweden than in The United States. In the decade since England banned all private possessions of gun the number of gun crimes has gone up.Some of the worst examples of mass gun violence has occurred in Europe from students and teachers killed in Germany, 14 legislators shot in Switzerland to 8 city council members being shot outside of Paris.

    Just recently a taxi driver in Cumbria, England killed 12 people and wounded 11.
    UK is violent crime capital of Europe - Telegraph

    Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offenses in the UK since Labour came to power.

    The total number of violent offenses recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa
    .
    [The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
    By James Slack
    Last updated at 12:14 AM on 3rd July 2009




    In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

    The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:

    • The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
    • It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
    • The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
    • It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.


    But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.

    In the UK, there are 2,034 offenses per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.
    The intentional homicide rate shows North America is lower than Eastern Europe, and also lower than the world average, and FAR lower than MANY other regions in the world: List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    England's Homicide Rate

    The homicide rate (per capita) in England and Wales was 9.1 in the year 1900, a time when gun control laws were relatively lax.
    In 2009, when gun laws are of draconian strictness, the homicide rate is 14.1
    This is from an official parliament report.
    GunCite-Gun Accidents

    Fatal gun accidents declined by almost sixty percent from 1975 to 1995, even though the number of guns per capita increased by almost forty percent.

    Fatal gun accidents involving children (aged 0-14) also fell significantly, from 495 in 1975, to under 250 in 1995. More children die from accidental drowning’s or burns than from gun accidents.

    (Gun supply statistics are from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, gun accident rates from the National Safety Council)
    .
    England has worse crime rate than the US, says Civitas study

    England and Wales has one of the worst crime rates among developed nations for rapes, burglaries and robberies, a major report has found.

    The study found that England and Wales ranked highly in a survey of crime rates among more than 30 developed counries, based on the frequency of crimes recorded by police for every 100,000 people.
    • For burglaries and robberies England and Wales had more crimes per 100,000 people than the USA. England and Wales was ranked sixth for burglaries – worse than Sweden, Slovenia, the Czech Republic, Turkey, Italy and Chile - and for robberies, England and Wales was seventh.
    • For rapes, England and Wales was ranked ninth, worse than the likes of Norway, Poland, Sweden, Australia and Germany, while for car thefts, England and Wales was eighth – worse than Slovenia, Chile, Mexico, Greece and the Czech Republic.


    Nearly half of all offenders sent to prison are reconvicted within a year of release, creating a revolving door of crime.
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    Ah, yes. Effectively unprotected subjects, basically advertised as such, and seen by criminals as unprotected. It's unsurprising that crime is up, with criminals now finding a whole new batch of tempting targets, unprotected as they are.

    I'd like to think this is merely an unintended consequence of the idiotic policy. But I doubt they (the law "makers") thought of it that deeply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdpG19 View Post
    If our country follows suit, can you imagine the rise in crime? UNBELIEVABLY OUT OF CONTROL!

    Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....
    From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

    Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real
    figures from Down Under.

    It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a
    new law to
    surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own
    government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
    more than $500 million dollars.

    The first year results are now in:
    Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
    Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
    Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

    In the state of Victoria
    alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that
    while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not
    and criminals still possess their guns!)
    While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
    decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically
    upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed
    that their prey is unarmed.
    There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
    assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

    Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
    safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
    expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....' You
    won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or
    members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

    The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
    hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control
    laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

    Take note Americans, before it's too late!
    Will you be one of the sheep to turn yours in?

    If Obama gets his way this is what would happen in the USA!!
    I got warned for mentioning Romney once, this is okay?

    Newsflash folks, Romney banned Assault Rifles in my state! Obama? Has done nothing but say he's thought about renewing the Assault Weapons ban.

    Despite Wayne LaPierre's conspiracy theories, he's not going to do much about guns. It's paranoia, that's about it.

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