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    States with most Active Concealed Weapons Permits

    By Aaron Sharockman, Times Staff Writer
    Aaron SharockmanTampa Bay Times In Print: Monday, August 20, 2012
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    The U.S. Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, recently studied the number of active concealed weapons permits by state. Its report is from July and includes concealed weapons permit data as of Dec. 31, 2011, in most cases.

    The top 10 of valid permits by state breaks down like this:

    1. Florida: 887,000;

    2. Pennsylvania: 786,000;

    3. Georgia: 600,000;

    4. Texas: 519,000;

    5. Indiana: 406,000;

    6. Washington: 351,000;

    7. Utah: 347,000;

    8. Tennessee: 341,000;

    9. Michigan: 296,000;

    10. Virginia: 279,000.

    There's two caveats to this list. First, several states, including Florida, allow out-of-state residents to acquire concealed weapons permits. So people living outside of Florida may have a Florida permit. Records don't distinguish by location.

    Second, it's worth noting that many states have reciprocity agreements regarding concealed weapons permits, meaning that a Texas license is valid in Florida and vice versa.

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    In addition, there's probably a bunch of people like me with more than one permit. I have a Florida permit, and when I moved here to TN it's law that a permanent resident obtain their HCP within 90 days. Others have multiple permits to maximize the number of states they may carry in.

    At any rate, it appears more and more people are obtaining their handgun carry permits, and that's a good thing.

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    I wonder where KY falls on that list?
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    From a risk standpoint, I would think that a criminal's likelihood of facing a firearm-wielding potential victim will correlate to whether the person's armed at the time. About as close as we can get is to use Number of Active CHL's as a proxy, as a percentage of the adult citizen population. Though, of course, it'll depend on how many actually opt to carry, not merely who's got a CHL.

    Anyone want to take a crack at gathering those numbers (population, #CHL's, calculated % of potential carriers)? ie, Pop=1M, #CHL's=50K, %PC's = (50K/1M) = 5%, though a good argument could probably be made that ~half or fewer are probably carrying on a given day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    From a risk standpoint, I would think that a criminal's likelihood of facing a firearm-wielding potential victim will correlate to whether the person's armed at the time. About as close as we can get is to use Number of Active CHL's as a proxy, as a percentage of the adult citizen population. Though, of course, it'll depend on how many actually opt to carry, not merely who's got a CHL.

    Anyone want to take a crack at gathering those numbers (population, #CHL's, calculated % of potential carriers)?
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    Don't know how many in my state, but then I'm only truly concerned with just one.

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    You also need to factor in the population of the state. For example Florida has a population of 19+ million versus Oklahoma with a population of 3+ million. By virtue of population they will have more permits by number, but what about by percentage of population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    From a risk standpoint, I would think that a criminal's likelihood of facing a firearm-wielding potential victim will correlate to whether the person's armed at the time. About as close as we can get is to use Number of Active CHL's as a proxy, as a percentage of the adult citizen population. Though, of course, it'll depend on how many actually opt to carry, not merely who's got a CHL.

    Anyone want to take a crack at gathering those numbers (population, #CHL's, calculated % of potential carriers)? ie, Pop=1M, #CHL's=50K, %PC's = (50K/1M) = 5%, though a good argument could probably be made that ~half or fewer are probably carrying on a given day.
    Dude, too much math for a Monday!

    But yes a % of eligible citizens carrying would be an interesting number.
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    Would also like to know the timeframe to actually receive a CCP. I moved from Chicago to Michigan, and it went from literally night to day. Illinois is a pain and a lengthy process, and of course Chicago is beyond draconian on their restrictions for getting a CCP. In fact, while I lived there, it was illegal to own a pistol in Cook County unless it had been purchased by you prior to 1982. And, of course, Chicago topped the FBI's list for murders in 2011. Yeah!!!!! No correlation there, I'm sure. Rahm wouldn't allow that at all-- he cares about us all.
    Anyway, my point being, I'm willing to assume those states with more liberal (not in a political sense here) laws towards obtaining CCPs have a higher percent to population permit holders than the other states.
    Anyone every seen a breakdown of what steps you have to take by state to get one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericb327 View Post
    I wonder where KY falls on that list?
    Kentucky has approximately 22% of Florida's population so I would assume it would be about 200,000.

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    I'd be surprised if more than 1-2% of CCW permit holders actually carry a firearm regularly.
    I have no stats, but in the last place I worked, I knew at least 15 people with permits...I was the only one who carried regularly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Anyone want to take a crack at gathering those numbers (population, #CHL's, calculated % of potential carriers)? ie, Pop=1M, #CHL's=50K, %PC's = (50K/1M) = 5%, though a good argument could probably be made that ~half or fewer are probably carrying on a given day.
    Quick and dirty math, using wikipedia's July 1, 2011 population estimates:

    1. Florida: 887,000 permits / 19,057,542 population = 4.65%

    2. Pennsylvania: 786,000 permits / 12,742,886 population = 6.17%

    3. Georgia: 600,000 permits / 9,815,210 population = 6.11%

    4. Texas: 519,000 permits / 25,674,681 population = 2.02%

    5. Indiana: 406,000 permits / 6,516,922 population = 6.23%

    6. Washington: 351,000 permits / 6,830,038 population = 5.14%

    7. Utah: 347,000 permits / 2,817,222 population = 12.32%

    8. Tennessee: 341,000 permits / 6,403,353 population = 5.33%

    9. Michigan: 296,000 permits / 9,876,187 population = 3.00%

    10. Virginia: 279,000 permits / 8,096,604 population = 3.45%

    Had to run Utah's three times to make sure it was correct - surprisingly high percentage relative to the rest of the top 10.

    And of course, these percentages aren't necessarily accurate because, as mentioned above, the permit numbers don't reflect how many permits are actually held by citizens residing in-state.

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    Complete GAO report (90 pages) found here... http://www.gao.gov/assets/600/592552.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I'd be surprised if more than 1-2% of CCW permit holders actually carry a firearm regularly.
    I have no stats, but in the last place I worked, I knew at least 15 people with permits...I was the only one who carried regularly.
    Same here. I meet people all the time who say they have/had a permit but never carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I'd be surprised if more than 1-2% of CCW permit holders actually carry a firearm regularly.
    I have no stats, but in the last place I worked, I knew at least 15 people with permits...I was the only one who carried regularly.
    Good observation. In TX having a CHL will allow you to bypass the metal detector line at the State Capitol building; apparently some state lawmakers aren't afraid of their law-abiding citizens. Skipping this line means it's easier and faster to get into the Capitol if you have a CHL. The consequence of this is that many lobbyists, including some who work for anti-gun groups, have picked up a CHL from Texas or Utah (you can get a CHL with reciprocal rights in TX without an all day class) but will never carry, which is probably for the best...

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