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    BLM declares Burning Man Second Amendment-free zone - This is not right!

    BLM declares Burning Man Second Amendment-free zone

    Regardless of what you think of several thousand new age people hanging out in the very remote NV desert and doing whatever it is that they do, this is not right. A non-elected appointee has decided where the 2A applies or does not.

    This should bug you. Even if you have an RV, and stop, you are in violation when you stop.

    ...... where does this guy get off, dictating away the right to keep and bear arms? Who first decided there was a “need” to do this? Who authorized it? What is the approval process? Did it have to go beyond a district manager? What other federal agencies think they have this power? Can any bureaucrat declare himself the boss of you, or does one need to be a certain pay grade?

    “If they (think they) can ban guns for Burning Man, essentially a private festival that as far as I can tell has no specific rules of this manner, then DOI can do it for pretty much any reason they want,” Dave Yates, co-founder of GunLeaders Blog observed to Gun Rights Examiner by email.

    Indeed. If unaccountable self-anointed masters are allowed to get away with arbitrary rulings, if their demands for kneejerk authority over our unalienable rights are tolerated, then what is to stop them from declaring any place off limits, and extending the time period to whatever interval they choose, that is, what is to stop them from effectively burning the Bill of Rights? ..


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    Persons have the permission of the BLM to possess and use firearms, including lawfully registered assault weapons, on BLM-administered public lands except when prohibited by other applicable laws and regulations.
    Other Regulations are
    To Ensure Public Safety & Protect Public Resources The Following Acts Are Prohibited On Public Lands:
    Firearms
    10. Discharging or using firearms or fireworks in a developed recreation site (campgrounds & day use areas).
    11. Willfully damaging or destroying property, structures or resources (including but not limited to signs and trees).
    12. Creating a hazard or nuisance (shooting from or across public roads and trails and/or in any manner endangering the public).
    13. Possession of an unregistered assault weapon as defined by the State laws you are in and DOJ regulations.
    14. Littering (pickup and pack out all targets, expended shells and other personal trash) .
    15. Hunting in violation of applicable State and Federal laws and regulations

    I don't see anything about "burning men" ;)
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    This was in the article:
    “The prohibitions above shall not apply to county, state, tribal, and Federal law enforcement personnel, or any person authorized by Federal law to possess a weapon,"
    What does it mean by Federal Law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    This was in the article:
    “The prohibitions above shall not apply to county, state, tribal, and Federal law enforcement personnel, or any person authorized by Federal law to possess a weapon,"
    What does it mean by Federal Law?
    Not you and me. We avoid such criminalization by state law. Hence, we're fair game.
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    The law cited as authority for the banning of firearms does not seem to support such a restriction.

    Closure and restriction orders.

    (a) To protect persons, property, and public lands and resources, the authorized officer may issue an order to close or restrict use of designated public lands.
    IANAL, but that to me says BLM can keep you out, but not tell you what you can and can't carry when you are allowed on the land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdprof View Post
    The law cited as authority for the banning of firearms does not seem to support such a restriction.



    IANAL, but that to me says BLM can keep you out, but not tell you what you can and can't carry when you are allowed on the land.

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    I, too, question the quoted authority to ban firearms. However, the alternative is to ban the event (certainly within the quoted authority). How far would anyone like to push the issue with this guy? No doubt he could come up with a bucketfull of reasons to ban it.
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    go and ban the event, see what an uproar that will cause....
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    If it is indeed withing this officials authority to "close or restrict use of designated public lands," then this would certainly seem to fall under the "restrict use" category. It ain't right, but it MIGHT be the law as written.
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    Originally Posted by suntzu
    This was in the article:
    “The prohibitions above shall not apply to county, state, tribal, and Federal law enforcement personnel, or any person authorized by Federal law to possess a weapon,"
    What does it mean by Federal Law?
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    Based in the plain language of the quote, anyone who is of legal age and not a felon, is "authorized" by federal law to possess a weapon...

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    See, this just firms up my argument, that it really doesn't matter who you vote for...

    The bureaucrats (little tin gods that they are) stay through administration after administration no matter the party...

    as far as "burning man" is concerned... don't they also do fireworks at that thing? how do you restrict one thing and not the other?
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    What is Burning Man??

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    Azretired. Imagine a combination of Woodstock and Mad Max Under Thunderdome on steroids. Every year thousands gather among black rocks and desert for days. I "believe" Nevada is the preferred location. IChing, acid, dirt bikes, chanting, fireworks, scorpions, no water, hot hot temperatures, free thinking, poor thinking, no thinking, music, fern huggers, bikers, tents, RV's, Magic Buses, turds in the cactus, lost souls, sweat, stink and sand.....culminating in the final night of the festival. An extremely large, we're talking really really big, effigy of a man has been constructed of lumber and they fire that baby up.

    Then they go home and plan for next year though I'm not sure how much planning is required for that kind of mayhem.
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    I'd bet we could get as many armed citizens as they get ..... what on earth are those people anyway? ... to show up armed.
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