once the cop has disarmed you, which they regularly do in my experience.
Tape changes nothing.
Filing a complaint with the department and/or writing a letter to your rep is the way to go.
I said "can".
I did not say "routinely", I said "can".
It's happened to me before, it's happened to a couple people I personally know, and I've read about it happening to others on different forums. I've talked about this very thing with an E-5 in my platoon who's a cop. If the cop wants to disarm you during a stop, they can. This is the whole reason some states have a duty to inform. The cop can make a judgement call to disarm you, or not, their call on how they feel and how they interpret the situation.
If a cop decides to disarm you during a stop, tape isn't going to stop a damn thing.
As far as your words, I was para phrasing, sorry about that ....this is your words:
Officer learns you CCW. Officer asks for your weapon, as they do all the time, for the duration of the stop
When it happens, it's not an unreasonable search, and tape isn't going to stop a cop from seeing or running your serial number.
Done, with a final word.....nowhere can I find one person that says "alter" means "cover". The fact that grips are designed for certain revolvers and sold that cover serial numbers is just one example of how it is done. I have talked to a couple of LEO friends who said they would never arrest someone becasue a serial number was covered.
Don't know how anyone can interpret it differently. But again, I am not a lawyer. Just wondering if you are sticking to the statment you made earlier saying :
Covering the serial number can be probable cause because it's illegal to obscure the serial number.
I rekon the ATF would care about that more than anyone else.
Actually im from Tn,consider it my duty to inform the officer,not hide the fact,most importantly at a night stop where another is on other side of vehicle looking in.I doubt if they stop becuse of the firearm as unknown some traffic infraction or suspicion and a drug,gang area would be more inclined I think to get stopped in.
Serial numbers they can run all they want didnt buy any out of the back end of a van.
Should someone relieve me of mine I should get so lucky as a leo running the numbers.
Imagine his reaction if asked to step out and not informed say to walk a line or blow up a balloon,I have a 45 acp in the door which cannot be seen from anywhere outside the vehicle,yet plain view when opened.Peashooters on me 22.25.32 can reach one with either hand front or back.And he would get tired of emptying and making all safe trust me.They generally say go on as to much effort doesnt matter if i did a rolling stop rather than a stop,all is forgiven.
So once the stop is made does the cop have the "right" to search the car, open the trunk, search you other than a "Terry" pat down? NO
I realize the tape won't stop a cop from removing it and running the SN anyway....What it is for is for is to buttress the lawsuit as a violation of SCOTUS president set in Arizona v Hicks 480 U.S. 321.
Hey guys, I need to apologize for my insulting posts and tone. It was counter productive and uncalled for and for that, I am sorry.