2012 DNC platform plank on firearms

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    Reasonable Regulation is a lie used by tyrants to get their foot in the door.

    That's all its ever been and that is all it will ever be. It can be defined as a secret code word used by politicians to mean, "we are going to screw your eyeballs right out of your head"...while they laugh about it over their glasses of wine.

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    Gun laws are not enforceable without people to enforce them. The government could ban all guns tomorrow, but it doesn't do any good if you don't have the LE to enforce it. I personally think to put a dent in the everyday violent crime, that the federal government should send money down to the state and local governments to help fund hiring of additional LEOs so they can put them where they need them. Gun crime is going to be deterred at the local level not in congress or the white house. Just my two cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skysoldier29 View Post
    Gun laws are not enforceable without people to enforce them. The government could ban all guns tomorrow, but it doesn't do any good if you don't have the LE to enforce it. I personally think to put a dent in the everyday violent crime, that the federal government should send money down to the state and local governments to help fund hiring of additional LEOs so they can put them where they need them. Gun crime is going to be deterred at the local level not in congress or the white house. Just my two cents.
    That's why most of these "reasonable" regulations have to do with manufacture and sale of new hardware... why enforce the people when you can enforce the manufacturers and distributors? Then after the new stuff is all restricted, they'll go for "registration" of existing hardware. Most people who own firearms are good, law-abiding folk that will comply.

    Of course, I've got a new fishing hobby. I don't know why I always take my gun safe with me, it's gonna lead to an accident one day... but I'm just afraid that if I leave them at home, they'll get stolen. What's a kid to do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by txron View Post
    Chicago has "reasonable regulation". Look how well it is working for them.
    This should be the standard response to this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Once View Post
    This should be the standard response to this issue.
    Chicagoans retort with the same old fluff... "It's because guns are so easy to get everywhere else, if our gun laws were nationwide, there would be no crime!"
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    However, the California senator’s declaration that, “Weapons of war do not belong on our streets, in our classrooms, in our schools or in our movie theatres,”
    So let me see if I have this right. The next Alien movie, Arnie will fight them with a sling shot and pea shooter? The next Top Gun movie, Tom will be flying paper airplanes? The next Saving Private Rynn Tom Hanks will be throwing chalk board erasers?

    I'm sorry, but the only thing worse than this woman's ignorance is her looks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    So let me see if I have this right. The next Alien movie, Arnie will fight them with a sling shot and pea shooter? The next Top Gun movie, Tom will be flying paper airplanes? The next Saving Private Rynn Tom Hanks will be throwing chalk board erasers?

    I'm sorry, but the only thing worse than this woman's ignorance is her looks.
    I was just wondering from that quote where I can get my rocket launcher and F-16
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    Quote Originally Posted by livewire View Post
    Chicagoans retort with the same old fluff... "It's because guns are so easy to get everywhere else, if our gun laws were nationwide, there would be no crime!"
    That is the same excuse His Lordship bloomberg uses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    That is the same excuse His Lordship bloomberg uses.
    Yeah... they conveniently forget that the "sources" for all those big-bad guns have so much less crime... but don't confuse them with facts!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by livewire View Post
    Governor Romney wasn't exactly a gun-rights advocate... though his statement was that he improved the situation as much as he could. I don't know if I buy that, but I'm guessing that he'll toe the party line as President. As opposed to Obama, who has had an anti-gun stance every time he's had a chance to express it.
    Except for that time Obama signed the bill into law allowing CC in national parks.

    I'm sure Obama has an anti-gun voting record, but I'd be curious to see what it is. Has anyone done any research already that would be able to give a list of anti-gun votes he took as a state and U.S. Senator? I'm sure the NRA has a record of it. Maybe someone that is familiar with their site can research and post it up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElMonoDelMar View Post
    Except for that time Obama signed the bill into law allowing CC in national parks.

    I'm sure Obama has an anti-gun voting record, but I'd be curious to see what it is. Has anyone done any research already that would be able to give a list of anti-gun votes he took as a state and U.S. Senator? I'm sure the NRA has a record of it. Maybe someone that is familiar with their site can research and post it up?
    That wasn't a separate bill, it was an amendment that got snuck into a big credit card thing that he REALLY wanted. If he had the choice, I'm sure he wouldn't have passed it, but he sure gets a lot of credit for it.

    Also, it didn't allow CCW in parks, it removed the prohibition. State governments can still ban CCW in National Parks.
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    Of course they want to "regulate" guns, just like the European countries. Just look how well that worked out for Londoners during the riots last year. Geez! Don't you know that guns kill people...and pencils cause mistakes?
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    My point being that as President he has signed one pro-gun bill and zero anti-gun bills. What does his record as a Senator look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGunny View Post
    Of course they want to "regulate" guns, just like the European countries. Just look how well that worked out for Londoners during the riots last year. Geez! Don't you know that guns kill people...and pencils cause mistakes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElMonoDelMar View Post
    My point being that as President he has signed one pro-gun bill and zero anti-gun bills. What does his record as a Senator look like?
    Don't know about the validity of this site, but it's an interesting read nonetheless.
    Gun control: Mitt Romney and Barack Obama’s political record | The Raw Story


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    I'll have to look the rest up, unless someone else wants to chime in, but...
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    That seems like a fair assessment of both Romney and Obama. Looks like neither one can make the claim to be better than the other on pro-gun issues.

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