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    Our Organizer-In-Chief was in full ignorant libtard dumba$$ mode during that debate. When he stated he wanted to reinstate the AWB, I about lost it. What a tool.

    Can't wait to see him get his sorry butt handed to him in November. Buh-bye!


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    He also missused the 'Automatic Weapons' term that is useful to scare the uninformed.

    Regardless of politics, his voting record in IL, in the State Legislation stands strongly against the 2A. That is not opinion - fact.

    Anyway - as for anyone on this Forum - Vote what you think is right. I, in no way hold sway over your mores or beliefs.
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    Romney.... stated , he didn't want to make any gun types illegal, nor to change the present laws , nor have a AWB...... but to address the issues related to violence in our culture (1 parent families, etc).

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    Same here.


    Also, I totally didn't expect that topic to come up. I really was surprised. Grab those $50 polymer lowers while you can!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    But you guys need to read the transcript...

    Nothing NOTHING O said was unequivocal.
    According to the transcript of the 10/16/12 debate, The Q&A on the Assault Weapons Ban proposal was:

    • Q: What has your administration done or plan to do to limit the availability of assault weapons?

    • A (Obama): ... But I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don't belong on our streets. And so what I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced, but part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence, because frankly, in my hometown of Chicago, there's an awful lot of violence, and they're not using AK-47s, they're using cheap handguns.


    Regarding the question of desire to push a new-and-improved AWB, it seems to me that this statement is unequivocal. Despite acknowledging AK-47s not being used in Chicago for garden-variety crime. (Not that they're being used much anywhere, for such.)
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    I came off the couch yelling to be honest when I heard it . No idea that question was coming. Obama's response sounded clear as day to me.
    If you're going to carry one weapon, might as well carry two, because as the saying goes, "Two is one, and one is none."

    "Liberals can decline or whine, but I will still carry and conceal mine." - Cold Warrior. Excellent quote good sir!

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    He can run his mouth all he wants, he'll never get the support he needs. Congress still remembers getting their butts handed to them last time around, and you can be sure the NRA, GOA, etc will be reminding everyone on both sides of the aisle of the consequences. 4 yrs ago O was credited with being the greatest gun salesman ever - his rhetoric ain't going anywhere. He didn't accomplish anything this term, if re-elected he'll accomplish even less.

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    Oh..... so he said the same thing he said when that loony toon shot up the movie theater.

    A ban isn't going to happen.
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    Let's hope we win those 7 or so seats we need in the Senate and come away with a super majority in the House.

    Darn Truman and his Executive Orders...(That practice did begin with Truman right?)
    If you're going to carry one weapon, might as well carry two, because as the saying goes, "Two is one, and one is none."

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    I don't think either of them really care about Assault Weapons. It's so outside of their elected mandate that it's a coin-toss on what either of them will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    IBTL...

    I'm not voting for our current president... But you guys need to read the transcript...

    Nothing NOTHING O said was unequivocal..

    And Romney passed many features of the AWB in his own state.

    I give both a failing grade on the gun question...
    I both heard the debate and read the transcript. I disagree with your assertion on what Obama said. Here is the transcript for that question - you decide. I have bolder the statement Obama made on the assault weapon ban.

    QUESTION: President Obama, during the Democratic National Convention in 2008, you stated you wanted to keep AK-47s out of the hands of criminals. What has your administration done or planned to do to limit the availability of assault weapons?

    OBAMA: Weíre a nation that believes in the Second Amendment, and I believe in the Second Amendment. Weíve got a long tradition of hunting and sportsmen and people who want to make sure they can protect themselves.

    But there have been too many instances during the course of my presidency, where Iíve had to comfort families who have lost somebody. Most recently out in Aurora. You know, just a couple of weeks ago, actually, probably about a month, I saw a mother, who I had met at the bedside of her son, who had been shot in that theater.

    And her son had been shot through the head. And we spent some time, and we said a prayer and, remarkably, about two months later, this young man and his mom showed up, and he looked unbelievable, good as new.

    But there were a lot of families who didnít have that good fortune and whose sons or daughters or husbands didnít survive.

    So my belief is that, (A), we have to enforce the laws weíve already got, make sure that weíre keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, those who are mentally ill. Weíve done a much better job in terms of background checks, but weíve got more to do when it comes to enforcement.

    But I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters donít belong on our streets. And so what Iím trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, thereís an awful lot of violence and theyíre not using AK-47s. Theyíre using cheap hand guns.

    And so what can we do to intervene, to make sure that young people have opportunity; that our schools are working; that if thereís violence on the streets, that working with faith groups and law enforcement, we can catch it before it gets out of control.

    And so what I want is a -- is a comprehensive strategy. Part of it is seeing if we can get automatic weapons that kill folks in amazing numbers out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. But part of it is also going deeper and seeing if we can get into these communities and making sure we catch violent impulses before they occur.

    CROWLEY: Governor Romney, the question is about assault weapons, AK-47s.

    ROMNEY: Yeah, Iím not in favor of new pieces of legislation on -- on guns and taking guns away or making certain guns illegal. We, of course, donít want to have automatic weapons, and thatís already illegal in this country to have automatic weapons. What I believe is we have to do, as the president mentioned towards the end of his remarks there, which is to make enormous efforts to enforce the gun laws that we have, and to change the culture of violence that we have.

    And you ask how -- how are we going to do that? And there are a number of things. He mentioned good schools. I totally agree. We were able to drive our schools to be number one in the nation in my state. And I believe if we do a better job in education, weíll -- weíll give people the -- the hope and opportunity they deserve and perhaps less violence from that. But let me mention another thing. And that is parents. We need moms and dads, helping to raise kids. Wherever possible the -- the benefit of having two parents in the home, and thatís not always possible. A lot of great single moms, single dads. But gosh to tell our kids that before they have babies, they ought to think about getting married to someone, thatís a great idea.

    Because if thereís a two parent family, the prospect of living in poverty goes down dramatically. The opportunities that the child will -- will be able to achieve increase dramatically. So we can make changes in the way our culture works to help bring people away from violence and give them opportunity, and bring them in the American system. The -- the greatest failure weíve had with regards to -- to gun violence in some respects is what -- what is known as Fast and Furious. Which was a program under this administration, and how it worked exactly I think we donít know precisely, where thousands of automatic, and AK-47 type weapons were -- were given to people that ultimately gave them to -- to drug lords.

    They used those weapons against -- against their own citizens and killed Americans with them. And this was a -- this was a program of the government. For what purpose it was put in place, I canít imagine. But itís one of the great tragedies related to violence in our society which has occurred during this administration. Which I think the American people would like to understand fully, itís been investigated to a degree, but -- but the administration has carried out executive privilege to prevent all of the information from coming out.

    Iíd like to understand who it was that did this, what the idea was behind it, why it led to the violence, thousands of guns going to Mexican drug lords. OBAMA: Candy?

    CROWLEY: Governor, Governor, if I could, the question was about these assault weapons that once were once banned and are no longer banned.

    I know that you signed an assault weapons ban when you were in Massachusetts, obviously, with this question, you no longer do support that. Why is that, given the kind of violence that we see sometimes with these mass killings? Why is it that you have changed your mind?

    ROMNEY: Well, Candy, actually, in my state, the pro-gun folks and the anti-gun folks came together and put together a piece of legislation. And itís referred to as an assault weapon ban, but it had, at the signing of the bill, both the pro-gun and the anti-gun people came together, because it provided opportunities for both that both wanted.

    There were hunting opportunities, for instance, that havenít previously been available and so forth, so it was a mutually agreed- upon piece of legislation. Thatís what we need more of, Candy. What we have right now in Washington is a place thatís gridlocked.

    CROWLEY: So I could -- if you could get people to agree to it, you would be for it?

    ROMNEY: We have --

    OBAMA: Candy?

    ROMNEY: -- we havenít had the leadership in Washington to work on a bipartisan basis. I was able to do that in my state and bring these two together.

    CROWLEY: Quickly, Mr. President.

    OBAMA: The -- first of all, I think Governor Romney was for an assault weapons ban before he was against it. And he said that the reason he changed his mind was, in part, because he was seeking the endorsement of the National Rifle Association. So thatís on the record.

    But I think that one area we agree on is the important of parents and the importance of schools, because I do believe that if our young people have opportunity, then they are less likely to engage in these kinds of violent acts. Weíre not going to eliminate everybody who is mentally disturbed and we have got to make sure they donít get weapons.

    (AUDIO GAP)

    OBAMA: because I do believe that if our young people have opportunity, then theyíre less likely to engage in these kind of violent acts.

    Weíre not going to eliminate everybody who is mentally disturbed, and weíve got to make sure they donít get weapons. But we can make a difference in terms ensuring that every young person in America, regardless of where they come from, what they look like, have a chance to succeed.

    And, Candy, we havenít had a chance to talk about education much, but I think it is very important to understand that the reforms weíve put in place, working with 46 governors around the country, are seeing schools that are some of the ones that are the toughest for kids starting to succeed. Weíre starting to see gains in math and science.

    When it comes to community colleges, we are setting up programs, including with Nassau Community College, to retrain workers, including young people who may have dropped out of school but now are getting another chance, training them for the jobs that exist right now.

    And in fact, employers are looking for skilled workers. And so weíre matching them up. Giving them access to higher education. As I said, we have made sure that millions of young people are able to get an education that they werenít able to get before.

    Now...

    CROWLEY: Mr. President, I have to -- I have to move you along here. You said you wanted to...

    (CROSSTALK)

    CROWLEY: We need to do it here.

    OBAMA: But -- but itíll -- itíll -- itíll be...

    (CROSSTALK)

    OBAMA: ... just one second.

    CROWLEY: One...

    OBAMA: Because -- because this is important. This is part of the choice in this election.

    When Governor Romney was asked whether teachers, hiring more teachers was important to growing our economy, Governor Romney said that doesnít grow our economy.

    When -- when he was asked would class size...

    (CROSSTALK)

    CROWLEY: The question, Mr. President, was guns here, so I need to move us along.

    OBAMA: I understand.

    CROWLEY: You know, the question was guns. So let me -- let me bring in another...

    OBAMA: But this will make a difference in terms of whether or not we can move this economy forward for these young people...

    CROWLEY: I understand.

    OBAMA: ... and reduce our violence.

    CROWLEY: OK. Thank you so much.
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    Automatic weapons are illegal? Since when?

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    OB clearly indicated his intent to renew the AWB but that was well-known beforehand. When Romney is elected there will be a short window during which OB will try to implement nefarious firearm rules by executive order. It will not be until inauguration day that these orders will be countermanded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superhouse 15 View Post
    Automatic weapons are illegal? Since when?
    Seems indicative of just how superficial their understanding is of such things ... to either claim their illegal or to claim their what's in criminals hands everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLArmadillo View Post
    What is a democrat incumbent supposed to say to the people in his own party
    "I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president." would have worked nicely for me but then again I'm not a member of his party.

    Romney is the lesser or two evils in my opinion.
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