This is a discussion on Gun buster signs and NO-GUN employers within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Mike1956 Which part of the Bill of Rights specifically addresses private property rights? the 2nd Amendment is about GOVERNMENT infringment upon gun-rights. ...
"When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk."
if the 2nd Amendment is expanded to include private-property, a whole can of worms gets opened up regarding private-property rights.
do you want to be forced to allow a delivery guy, or salesman, or Jehovah's Witness onto your property with a handgun, against your wishes and concern for your family?
do you not grasp the MASSIVE can of worms that would be unleashed, if the Constitution could be applied to YOUR private land?
its very simple: if your land becomes under the jurisdiction of the Constitution, then your land is NO LONGER your land.
could you imagine not being allowed to remove a Nazi flag someone puts on your lawn, or a burning American flag, or a poster supporting Al Gore for President?
could you imagine NOT being allowed to remove protestors from your kitchen?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
As far as I know, Congress has made no laws regarding Nazi flag flying or American flag burning, in my yard or anywhere else.
"When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk."
if the USC is applied to PRIVATE-PROPERTY, that would mean that you would be legally bound to allow the KKK, Neo-Nazis, or Satanists protest on your front lawn or in your kitchen.
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a friend of mine, said the following:
I happen to own a couple of businesses so I can give you a first hand perspective. And in the interest of full disclosure, I am also a gun owner.
It's my business. Period, end of paragraph.
I get to decide under what legal circumstances I allow people to work for me, or come into my place of business as a customer.
And it's not a matter of being anti-gun. As I said, I'm a gun owner. It's a matter of money. Or at least a matter of potential money. And nearly all of it coming out of my pocket.
Let's take a simple scenario, shall we? Someone comes into the store to rob us. An employee pulls a weapon, and shooting ensues on both sides. Guess who's gonna get sued, regardless? That's right, me. I'm the one with the "deep pockets" here. I'll be sued by either the robber or his family for injuries, or wrongful death, or any other number of things. Same with the employee's family. Since my insurance doesn't cover employees with weapons on my property, because such a policy is way more expensive, I'll be facing these lawsuits all by my lonesome. No thanks.
Similarly, I don't want some dispute between two customers, or between a customer and employee to get out of hand. Never happened before, even to the point of a fist-fight, but that's not to say it won't ever happen, does it? Stranger things show up in the newspaper every single day.
Now, of course, outside of posting a no weapons policy in the store, there's little I can do to keep a customer from carrying. It's not like we're going to put them through a metal detector, or search them. Still, it does protect me somewhat with my insurance company at that point if something happens.
But none of this takes into account the other economics forces that will accrue if either of these scenarios comes to pass. The publicity. Bad publicity can kill a business, and when something like the two examples mentioned comes to pass, there will be publicity, most of it probably bad. And that tends to drive customers away. For some reason they don't want to shop where life and limb may be at stake. Go figure.
So yes, I'll by God ban weapons by employees, and at least put customers on notice that I don't want them in my store with a weapon. If they don't like it, they are quite free to look for employment, or my retail products and services elsewhere. So far though, business has been just fine. No one has even asked about the "No Guns" sign behind the counter.