Election over, U.N. back at arms trade treaty talks...

This is a discussion on Election over, U.N. back at arms trade treaty talks... within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Crowman While you and many others make a good point, the reality to all of this is we, and the likes of ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    While you and many others make a good point, the reality to all of this is we, and the likes of us, have very little(or no) control over this issue. Most we have is hope and prayer.....
    Actually we do have control over such issues, however we failed to effectively exercise that control on November 6th.
    We will have more opporunities to exercise that control over the next four years.... pray we don't fail further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_C View Post
    NRA: "U.N. is gonna take our guns! Quick! Give us money!"

    I know, right! Good thing we have Wayne and pals to tell us how to think, vote, and spend our money. I wouldn't have a clue without him!
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    Here is a link to the same story from Reuters:

    After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks | Reuters

    Oz didn't think it could happen either!


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    I remember exactly four years ago when Obama won the election, the scramble to stock up on arms and ammo, believing that our rights will be restricted. Aside being a big boon to manufacturers and retailers, our worst fears never materialized. In fact the past four years have actually been pretty pro-2nd amendment. More states passed RTC laws, some that already had them became shall-issue, and the Washington D.C. ban was struck down by the Supreme Court.

    I have this nagging feeling though the the next four years won't be as friendly toward gun owners.

    Unfortunately a very large portion of our citizens see gun ownership and gun owners in a negative light. We need to change that. We need to lose the macho "you'll have to pry my gun out of my cold, dead hands" rhetoric. That image plays right into the worst fears of anti-gunners. We need to change our image from extreme right-wing survivalist wakos to conscientious, safe, and responsible citizens. We are your neighbors... your kids 5th grade teacher, your insurance agent, the nurse that was so kind to you, your kid's little-league coach, the guy that stops to help you change your tire in the rain....

    The good news is that we have facts on our side. When anti-gunners start raising their fears, we can counter their "what-ifs" with "what-is." Guns are used by good, law-abiding citizens 2,000,000 times a year to stop crimes. Those stories need to be told. Crime goes down when states pass pro-gun laws. Gun crimes committed by licensed CCW citizens are almost zero.

    These are the stories that the country needs to hear. But don't expect the liberal media to tell them... that is up to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Except in the states of California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York.
    But you do want state's rights, don't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormin1155 View Post
    I remember exactly four years ago when Obama won the election, the scramble to stock up on arms and ammo, believing that our rights will be restricted. Aside being a big boon to manufacturers and retailers, our worst fears never materialized. In fact the past four years have actually been pretty pro-2nd amendment. More states passed RTC laws, some that already had them became shall-issue, and the Washington D.C. ban was struck down by the Supreme Court.

    I have this nagging feeling though the the next four years won't be as friendly toward gun owners.

    Unfortunately a very large portion of our citizens see gun ownership and gun owners in a negative light. We need to change that. We need to lose the macho "you'll have to pry my gun out of my cold, dead hands" rhetoric. That image plays right into the worst fears of anti-gunners. We need to change our image from extreme right-wing survivalist wakos to conscientious, safe, and responsible citizens. We are your neighbors... your kids 5th grade teacher, your insurance agent, the nurse that was so kind to you, your kid's little-league coach, the guy that stops to help you change your tire in the rain....

    The good news is that we have facts on our side. When anti-gunners start raising their fears, we can counter their "what-ifs" with "what-is." Guns are used by good, law-abiding citizens 2,000,000 times a year to stop crimes. Those stories need to be told. Crime goes down when states pass pro-gun laws. Gun crimes committed by licensed CCW citizens are almost zero.

    These are the stories that the country needs to hear. But don't expect the liberal media to tell them... that is up to us.
    welcome to the forum.

    I agree with most of what you're saying...

    However, you can't get an anti to listen to facts or numbers... yes, they will use them to benefit their cause, but they will not listen to any numbers that will counter their own... their argument is emotional.

    I also agree that most gun restriction/control happens incrementally. At some point the NRA membership, and gun owners in general must draw a line in the sand. The impossible thing is to get them to draw one line in the sand and stick to it... and it has to be every gun owner... and it will never happen.
    It could be worse.
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    I'm not panicking, but this is something to watch.

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    I'm a noobee here and certainly don't want to cause a ruckus but I am troubled over the timing of the UN to renew the talks over ATT. I certainly don't want the UN interfering with anything in our own country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onacoma View Post
    Here is a link to the same story from Reuters:

    After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks | Reuters

    Oz didn't think it could happen either!
    Here's an excerpt from that Reuters article:

    "We seek a treaty that contributes to international security by fighting illicit arms trafficking and proliferation, protects the sovereign right of states to conduct legitimate arms trade, and meets the concerns that we have been articulating throughout," the official said.

    "We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of our citizens to bear arms," he said.
    So feel free to call everybody who has a different ideology than you a liar, a scum, an "anti" (gasp!) or whatever makes you feel better. I personally have more important matters to attend to, like what color socks I should wear to work tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbglock View Post
    I know, right! Good thing we have Wayne and pals to tell us how to think, vote, and spend our money. I wouldn't have a clue without him!
    People get angry if you question the NRA. I say screw them, I'll give my money to more worthy organizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Except in the states of California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York.
    laws were passed in the State legislatures.

    Its called the States' right to govern themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Concerned? You bet. Only a fool would not be.

    Democrats. The UN. Obama. Clinton. Pelosi. Assault Weapons ban. Gun Control. Put them all in the same sentence and tell me what good will come from it.

    The Democrats have told the world that they want another Assault Weapons Ban. To them, an assault weapon is any weapon that they don't like the looks of. Got a pistol grip? Detachable magazine?

    The Socialist states of California,Connecticut,Massachusetts, New Jersey,New York and Illinois decided to keep it.

    Someone tell me, what have they got to lose by trying it? Not a danged thing. At some point in time it will happen and all you naysayers out there will wonder what in the heck happened...but by then it will be too late.
    I wonder who implemented the AWB in my state...hmm...who was it...

    To call all of those states "socialist" is insane, it shows no knowledge of what socialism actually is.
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    Well, there's a little more to this...


    Real danger in U.N. arms pact even if U.S. doesn’t sign?

    There is real danger in a proposed United Nations arms trade pact even if the United States does not sign or if the Senate fails to ratify the document, according to one of the leading critics of the effort.

    Real danger in U.N. arms pact even if U.S. doesn

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    To call all of those states "socialist" is insane, it shows no knowledge of what socialism actually is.
    I have lived in California,Illinois and Fall River, Mass.
    Thats as close to socialist as I care to get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    I have lived in California,Illinois and Fall River, Mass.
    Thats as close to socialist as I care to get.
    It's not socialism. Liberal, but not socialist. Our gun laws were made worse by Mitt Romney by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    But you do want state's rights, don't you?
    I was responding to an assertion. I'm fairly sure I haven't expressed views one way or the other on states' rights.
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