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This is a discussion on Election over, U.N. back at arms trade treaty talks... within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Pythius laws were passed in the State legislatures. Its called the States' right to govern themselves. Just sayin'. How do you suppose ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    laws were passed in the State legislatures.

    Its called the States' right to govern themselves.
    Just sayin'. How do you suppose those recreational marijuana initiatives will work out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    I have lived in California,Illinois and Fall River, Mass.
    Thats as close to socialist as I care to get.
    Aww come now comrade HotGuns, zis not so bad eh? Ve are vorking on vays to change no? Come, come to home and I show you treek to make neighbor TALK!
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    Re: Election over, U.N. back at arms trade treaty talks...

    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    But you do want state's rights, don't you?
    While I've never been entirely sold on incorporation doctrine we've already gone down that road for the rest of the BOR and I see no reason not to enforce the 2a against the states with at least as much vigor.

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    One more Justice on the Supreme Court and that will happen now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty901 View Post
    One more Justice on the Supreme Court and that will happen now.
    It's already a corrupt court.

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    Re: Election over, U.N. back at arms trade treaty talks...

    More fuel for the fire

    http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/Massa...assad+Ayoob%29


    I honestly don't think that our culture, not just the 2A, will survive this.


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    At least one on the Supreme Court. It could be several.
    I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zacii View Post
    More fuel for the fire

    Massad Ayoob Blog Archive WELL, THAT DIDN


    I honestly don't think that our culture, not just the 2A, will survive this.


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    PolitiFact | Barack Obama coming after guns, 'under the radar,' NRA says

    When the first thing in an article is a blatant lie...it's bad. Pathetic really, makes me lose respect for Ayoob big time.

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    Re: Election over, U.N. back at arms trade treaty talks...

    Quote Originally Posted by CaveJohnson View Post
    PolitiFact | Barack Obama coming after guns, 'under the radar,' NRA says

    When the first thing in an article is a blatant lie...it's bad. Pathetic really, makes me lose respect for Ayoob big time.
    From the link that you posted:

    During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, "to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda," she said."I just want you to know that we are working on it," Brady recalled the president telling them. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."
    I fail to see any blatant lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zacii View Post
    From the link that you posted:



    I fail to see any blatant lie.

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    Same article, again:

    "To recap: The Washington Post reported that Sarah Brady said Obama told her his administration is "working on it," likely referring to gun control (in what way is unclear in the article). And Brady then tells the Post Obama said, "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."

    The quote then gets distorted by the NRA to "Obama admits he’s coming for our guns, telling Sarah Brady, ‘We are working on (gun control), but under the radar.’""

    1. It's second hand from a known anti-gun person, no proof besides what she says.

    2. It's not what he really said.

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    "I so remember (Jason) Horowitz -- he was at the press get-together in the briefing room after our meeting. (Her husband) Jim was asked lots of questions -- then (Horowitz) followed me as we walked out of the briefing room until he got back into the main part of the West Wing. He kept trying to pin me down -- asking what I thought -- I was trying to be evasive as I didn't want to paint Obama as with us or against us -- as we hadn't really talked about it. If I remember correctly, I just kept shaking my head and trying to get away from him. What ever I might have said or agreed to was purely speculative as I never spoke to the president myself about this issue.""

    "Helmke told us he did not recall Obama making any specific promises on gun issues, and that if Obama was talking about anything, it was likely a proposal to require gun shops in border states to report purchases of two or more of semi-automatic rifles if they were made within a five-day window by the same person."

    Capisce? I'm real tired of this fearmongering.
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    This is not political..this is an American saying his piece. I will defend the Constitution of the United States with my life.
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    Re: Election over, U.N. back at arms trade treaty talks...

    Quote Originally Posted by CaveJohnson View Post
    Same article, again:

    "To recap: The Washington Post reported that Sarah Brady said Obama told her his administration is "working on it," likely referring to gun control (in what way is unclear in the article). And Brady then tells the Post Obama said, "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."

    The quote then gets distorted by the NRA to "Obama admits hes coming for our guns, telling Sarah Brady, We are working on (gun control), but under the radar.""

    1. It's second hand from a known anti-gun person, no proof besides what she says.

    2. It's not what he really said.

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    "I so remember (Jason) Horowitz -- he was at the press get-together in the briefing room after our meeting. (Her husband) Jim was asked lots of questions -- then (Horowitz) followed me as we walked out of the briefing room until he got back into the main part of the West Wing. He kept trying to pin me down -- asking what I thought -- I was trying to be evasive as I didn't want to paint Obama as with us or against us -- as we hadn't really talked about it. If I remember correctly, I just kept shaking my head and trying to get away from him. What ever I might have said or agreed to was purely speculative as I never spoke to the president myself about this issue.""

    "Helmke told us he did not recall Obama making any specific promises on gun issues, and that if Obama was talking about anything, it was likely a proposal to require gun shops in border states to report purchases of two or more of semi-automatic rifles if they were made within a five-day window by the same person."

    Capisce? I'm real tired of this fearmongering.
    The NRA made their statement based off what Brady allegedly told Horowitz.

    If anyone is a blatant liar it's either Brady, or Horowitz.

    Either way, it got published and the NRA got a hold of it. But that doesn't make them the liar in this instance.




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    Quote Originally Posted by zacii View Post
    The NRA made their statement based off what Brady allegedly told Horowitz.

    If anyone is a blatant liar it's either Brady, or Horowitz.

    Either way, it got published and the NRA got a hold of it. But that doesn't make them the liar in this instance.




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    It's bullcrap then, that better? Nonsense, horsecrap, whatever you want to call it.

    It was deliberately blown out of proportion for the purpose of fearmongering. I call that a lie because what they claim was said, wasn't. They added meaning that didn't exist.

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