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    The New Jersey "assault weapons" ban came before the federal AWB. CA was the first state to have an AWB.

    New Jersey Assault-Weapon Ban Nets One Gun and Many Appeals - NYTimes.com


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    BTW: The ban on guns in national parks happened on the watch of the "Gunowners Champion" Ronald Reagan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    how about we wait till the damn thing is finalized, before we judge?
    Because by then it could be far, far too late. No prisoners are taken by the liberty haters, whether steps are made incrementally or not. We would do well to keep this in mind.

    Not that I imagine that such a statement would be ratified. Trouble is, it's no single element that's up for ratification. It's the whole enchilada. Those who believe the whole thing would be tossed over one simple element would do well to remember that little "credit card" related piece of legislation that was signed by the big dog despite the little wrinkle about carry in national parks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Because by then it could be far, far too late.....
    Its illogical to get all excited about legislation that has yet to be finalized, let alone voted on.

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    Sometimes it's easier to stop that snowball before it rolls downhill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    Its illogical to get all excited about legislation that has yet to be finalized, let alone voted on.
    Noah built the ark before the rain, not when the storm was "finalized" (ie, bearing down on his head).

    It's utterly logical to voice opinions to our elected hirelings ahead of time, before any finalization, and way before any push toward ratification. Fail to do that, then it's entirely possible that such people would read silence as being license to eviscerate liberty in any such documents. It's not about "excitement." It's about ensuring destruction of liberty isn't seen by anyone as a viable concept in any such discussions, negotiations or ratification. Viewed another way, the meek (and the silent) get steamrolled.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
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    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    It's about ensuring destruction of liberty isn't seen by anyone as a viable concept in any such discussions, negotiations or ratification. Viewed another way, the meek (and the silent) get steamrolled.
    One man's liberty is another man's prison, and vice-versa.

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    "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it" Nancy Pelosi

    And that's how we got "The Affordable Care Act". And we're stuck with it.

    So, those of you who are saying, "that will never happen" better think again. It could most definitely happen.
    It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

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    You know what has never worked in the past?

    Appeasement.
    Appeasement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Ignoring the problem, or acting as if it doesn't exist will not lead to a positive outcome. I can think of a few bad things that have come from this mentality...

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