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    As to the "1/4 Jews" and "1/2 Jews", they were a creation of the Nazis in 1933. before that they were called "Protestants" and "Catholics", so no net increase in ownership rights. Other things did not go so well for them either.
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    This thread reminds me of something I posted here a long time ago. It reflects my view of the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapnketel View Post
    So, ban ownership of guns by 6-10 million people, but you interpret that as loosened for "all citizens of Germany"? Or are you saying Jews were not citizens of Germany in 1928?
    the fact is, for the VAST majority of German citizens, including 100,000 folks who were 1/2 or 1/4 Jewish, gun laws were loosened by the Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    Denying reality (the facts) because they do not fit your narrative or ideology does not change reality or make the facts go away......

    A large segment of the German population was disarmed and then murdered on an industrial scale, that is a fact
    only a few thousand guns were confiscated by the Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    only a few thousand guns were confiscated by the Nazis.
    according to who? Just wondering your source, besides Wikipedia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mulle46 View Post
    according to who? Just wondering your source, besides Wikipedia.
    http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf

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    Pythius... Germany is ABSOLUTELY not the only example of disarmament and subsequent mass slaughter/genocide/killings. Maybe you think Germany is a bad example, fine, but there is more than enough supporting evidence from other dictators etc to support JeanLouise's claim.
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    GREAT read. Everyone in congress and in the U.S. should be made to read this. Not that the politicians would change though... *sigh*
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    from your link, In other words, anyone who possessed a military rifle or handgun was a public enemy unless he or she was a member of a Nazi-approved organization. That was 1933.
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    While most folks on this board will argue about the effects of disarming citizens or disarming people
    thought of as "others," we frequently get posts from folks who believe ID cards are needed in our
    society. Just remember as you mistakenly wish that all must have them, that ID cards are a
    tool of totalitarianism
    . When you must have them, they can be taken from you and you get rendered
    a non-person with no rights. When you must have them they can add information: religion, income,
    political affiliation, anything which can be used to target you as "another."

    As I read threads like this, and yes the issue of disarmament deserves discussion and historical
    perspective, please keep in mind that disarming citizens IS NOT the ONLY means by which an overreaching
    government (I don't consider ours that at this point in time) can control everyone. Both Germany and
    The Soviets made ample use of internal passports (ID) as a way to keep the population in control.

    I'd like to see a little more thought on here-- though I realize we are a gun forum-- to some of the
    other things which threaten freedom. Because, believe me, you don't want to get to a point in which
    you need those guns as your last resort for retaining freedom.

    And, I don't for one second believe that the Jewish population of Germany, or of Europe, even if armed
    with small arms, would have been able to resist in any meaningful way against police and military might.
    The end result would have been the same, mass slaughter.

    And just to make clear where I am coming from, my Grand Aunt was forced to dig her own grave and the
    graves of her daughter and grandson. They were then machine gunned but the boy fell (was pushed) beneath
    the pile of bodies and somehow managed to escape during the night and then live in the forests.

    The escape is how the story is known to me. I didn't even know I had relatives in Europe until the
    magic of the internet and web sites allowed me to stumble on that fact, 55 years after.
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    I think you should revisit the article. The "few thousand firearms" you're referring to I am assuming come from this portion of the piece:

    "The provisional results clearly show what a large amount of weapons have been found with Berlin's Jews and are still to be found with them. To date, the campaign led to the taking into custody of 2,569 stabbing and cutting weapons, 1,702 firearms, and about 20,000 rounds of ammunition."

    This is referring to a specific short term event in Berlin. In reality, the disarming of the Jews as well as people who were deemed not faithful to the party had been on-going for years.

    portions of the 1928 law made this systematic disarmament of the enemies of the Nazi Party fairly simple by requiring firearms registration. In short, the Nazi's knew who had the guns and could then build "less restrictive" gun laws that would allow them to continue to disarm the people they wanted to disarm.

    Sounds like common sense gun laws do work after all.

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    Darrow75, your avatar is creeping me out. I can't take my eyes off of... "it?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheConcealer View Post
    Darrow75, your avatar is creeping me out. I can't take my eyes off of... "it?"
    Yeah...I saw it in the window display of an antique shop up in Georgetown, CO and thought, "That thing is creepy! I need to photograph it". I actually took the photo of its reflection in the window slightly out of focus to give it that transparent ghostly look.

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    The point I am trying to make, is that its not so simply as saying "the Nazis increased gun control and confiscated firearms, leading to the Holocaust".

    The Nazis actually loosened gun control laws on tens of millions of people, taking a big risk that these firearms could later be used against them in a revolt. Luckily for them, no such revolt took place. But things could have very easily gone the opposite way, with tens of thousands of Germans taking up arms against the Nazi regime....making use of the loosened gun laws.
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