The 2nd Amendment in Pennsylvania

The 2nd Amendment in Pennsylvania

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    The 2nd Amendment in Pennsylvania

    I watched this video on Youtube. It does tug at your heart strings, but in the same boat I often wonder what can be done to end the violence in these cities without infringing on the rights of the law abiding. What do you think after watching the report? Mind you I don't agree with the councilmen blaming the NRA and guns. I think it's more of a breakdown of society and morals which leads to the violence. Guns are merely a tool.

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    Answer - Make anyone on public assistance have to take a drug test each week. Most of the violence is a supply and demand issue for illegal drugs.

    Make it easier for Law Abiding Citizens to carry weapons to protect themselves.
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    Here is a thought - A loaded gun could sit/lay on that sidewalk/alley they open the video with for a 100 years and not kill anyone! That is until some Gang Banger picks it up or steals it!

    This has nothing to do with guns! It has to do with morals, family values, and valuing life itself! MADDCOW and the rev-in want to put everyone on the public feeding trough so we can be controled or as the Dems put it, "We belong to the Government!"

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    The council man cant seem to realize that he has a people problem. In his own words He has watched responsible kids grow up to become murderers. He needs to look at why his Half acre is the most dangerous place in America! Fresno Ca used to have neighborhoods like Homewood. The FPD built a Police station there. They stopped everyone on the street for a quick search, they eventually hired cops from that neighborhood who know everyone there. Fresno's murders went from over 800 a year to around 200. But the Chief of police had to recognize that it was all a people problem. And mostly just a few bad actors! It took 10 years to clean things up But now they are building new houses on the vacant lots and people are lining up to get them. But the councilman is focused on the guns not the people holding them! DR

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    I grew up poor too, in fact we didnt depend on the social programs like there are today and we never let our houses go like that, we helped one another, Then little by little the neighborhood began to change and the good folks moved out and the thugs started moving in because the prices went down, or people bought up the houses and rented them cheap and it attracted scumbags who destroyed the area, It pisses me off because my mother would be living in her paid off house which she worked very hard for,But now at her age instead she has to work, And these liberals want to blame it on guns?? COME ON. Im tired of acting like I dont know what the hell is going on, people need to be honest and when they start that B.S about guns, let them know that NOOO its the people behind the guns. The thugs who are out of hand. Im so F' in tired of these Liberal idiots anymore.... I can go on and on ... but Im not. I lived in a "bad neighborhood" I understand what happens and the transition, Im sure many other people can relate. I know and seen who does most of the shootings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    Answer - Make anyone on public assistance have to take a drug test each week. Most of the violence is a supply and demand issue for illegal drugs.

    Make it easier for Law Abiding Citizens to carry weapons to protect themselves.
    You can not do that it is not fair
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    I had to go throw up about 1/2 way through.

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    It's terrible the way all of those guns are just roaming around Formosa Way all by themselves shooting innocent people. Those guns are dealing drugs and robbing people. The guns in that area have absolutely no respect for the law. They are sitting around all day drinking Hoppes #9 and smoking Gunzilla and then they are out all night acting like lawless thugs and Saturday Night Specials.

    In some Pittsburgh neighborhoods the handguns are really friendly. They stay in their holsters and they obey the law and mind their own business but, in that area the guns cannot be trusted. They are predatory guns that have all joined gun gangs.

    Too many of their little bullets are roaming around with no masculine magnums in the home.

    Why won't the N.R.A. do something about those BAD BAD guns? The answer is to simply arrest all of those bad guns and lock them up into a gun safe and throw away the key.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    Answer - Make anyone on public assistance have to take a drug test each week. Most of the violence is a supply and demand issue for illegal drugs.

    Make it easier for Law Abiding Citizens to carry weapons to protect themselves.
    This is an horrific idea for a variety of reasons. Do you think you should be drug tested to get your
    handgun license? Buy ammo? Drive your car? Rent an apartment? Where is the line drawn.

    Just know this, the false positive rate has been reported to be 50 out of 1000. E.g., If 100,000 people are tested
    and 1% (1000 people) are reported as positive, there will be between 30 and 50 false accusations.

    Now, that's a tiny error rate unless you are the one falsely accused.

    There are reasons for false positives besides lab error. There are problems with technical matters
    known as 'specimen validity testing,'
    and there are "refusal to test" cases which are considered positives--- and which are not actual refusal
    to test situations.

    There is a lot wrong with drug testing, to say nothing of the fact that it has proven to be a failed
    method for controlling our drug epidemic--- as has everything else ever tried as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    Answer - Make anyone on public assistance have to take a drug test each week. Most of the violence is a supply and demand issue for illegal drugs.

    Make it easier for Law Abiding Citizens to carry weapons to protect themselves.
    About one out of six Americans currently receive some sort of public assistance, 50 million, give or take. At $40 per drug test, your solution will cost about $2 billion per week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    About one out of six Americans currently receive some sort of public assistance, 50 million, give or take. At $40 per drug test, your solution will cost about $2 billion per week.
    Gotta say, I do like the way you think outside of the box Mike. Always enjoy your posts.
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    That is not a valid example. You'll need to strike that.
    We are not having other taxpayers paying for our licenses. The Govt does not fund our ammo purchases our apartment rentals.
    Taxpayers are not making our car payments for us.

    If I could not pay my mortgage and the Govt jumped in and said...We will pay your mortgage for you because we know that you cannot pay it but, you are going to need to get drug tested first...I'd say "Pass Me The Pee Cup Bro!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangerranger View Post
    The council man cant seem to realize that he has a people problem. In his own words He has watched responsible kids grow up to become murderers. He needs to look at why his Half acre is the most dangerous place in America! Fresno Ca used to have neighborhoods like Homewood. The FPD built a Police station there. They stopped everyone on the street for a quick search, they eventually hired cops from that neighborhood who know everyone there. Fresno's murders went from over 800 a year to around 200. But the Chief of police had to recognize that it was all a people problem. And mostly just a few bad actors! It took 10 years to clean things up But now they are building new houses on the vacant lots and people are lining up to get them. But the councilman is focused on the guns not the people holding them! DR
    I didn't look anything up, but there is no way Fresno had 800 murders a year.

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    Ahhh... know about this all too well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro2A View Post
    I watched this video on Youtube. It does tug at your heart strings, but in the same boat I often wonder what can be done to end the violence in these cities without infringing on the rights of the law abiding. What do you think after watching the report?
    There is no quick answer for urban blight like this. Poor economics, lack of education, dysfunctional families, and a myriad of other factors all collide to create it. From the video, the pain that the councilman is expressing is obvious. But lets get one thing straight: the problem is not the NRA and guns. I have said on previous occasions that I think at least part of the reason that the idiots lash out at organizations like the NRA and concealed carry permit holders is because it is a target that they can readily identify whereas they can't address the real problem.

    My message to this councilman would be this:
    1) Lets get one thing straight. The problem is not guns. If you were able to magically take all the guns away, the situation would not change. The criminals would be using bombs, knives, hammers, torches, saws, bricks, stones, clubs ....
    2) Organizations like the NRA do not support the criminals and are not fighting for the rights of criminals to have guns. The NRA fights for the rights of law abiding citizens to own and use guns, which is a natural right that is upheld by the nations constitution.
    3) I have obtained my guns in a lawful manner and gone through the process to be permitted to carry my guns in public. Neither I, nor my guns are causing your problems. They are not in the streets, in the hands of criminals, being used for drug deals. Trying to restrict me will not help your problem in any manner.
    4) The criminals are NOT getting carry permits and lawfully buying guns in stores. Placing higher hurdles on those who do will not solve your problem.

    The bottom line that antis like this councilman need to realize is that by targeting me with their frustrations, they are putting me in the position of working against them, not with them. This is only going to make their situation worse, not better.
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