10 State Attorneys General Oppose Gun Permit Law - National Reciprocity

10 State Attorneys General Oppose Gun Permit Law - National Reciprocity

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    10 State Attorneys General Oppose Gun Permit Law - National Reciprocity

    10 State Attorneys General Oppose Gun Permit Law
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    Posted: Dec 01, 2012 5:36 AM PST


    ALBANY, N.Y. (AP)- Attorneys general in Maryland and nine other states are asking U.S. Senate leaders to stop legislation that would let licensed gun owners carry concealed firearms across state lines.

    Letters sent to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., say it would restrict states' ability to control gun permits inside their borders, forcing them to recognize permits from states with weak oversight.

    My Comments: And Guess which other State AGs are against it.... do we see a pattern?

    .........The other attorneys general are from California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada and Oregon, along with Pennsylvania's attorney general-elect.

    10 State Attorneys General Oppose Gun Permit Law - WBOC-TV 16, Delmarvas News Leader, FOX 21 -

    Also: Ore. AG among those opposing new gun law | kgw.com Portland
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    10 State Attorneys General Oppose Gun Permit Law
    WBOC 16, Deleware/Maryland (Eastern Shore)
    Posted: Dec 01, 2012 5:36 AM PST


    ALBANY, N.Y. (AP)- Attorneys general in Maryland and nine other states are asking U.S. Senate leaders to stop legislation that would let licensed gun owners carry concealed firearms across state lines.

    Letters sent to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., say it would restrict states' ability to control gun permits inside their borders, forcing them to recognize permits from states with weak oversight.

    My Comments: And Guess which other State AGs are against it.... do we see a pattern?

    .........The other attorneys general are from California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada and Oregon, along with Pennsylvania's attorney general-elect.

    10 State Attorneys General Oppose Gun Permit Law - WBOC-TV 16, Delmarvas News Leader, FOX 21 -

    Also: Ore. AG among those opposing new gun law | kgw.com Portland
    CT permit holders would benefit dramatically from a law requiring other states to recognize their license; and the others as well.

    Pennsylvania's AG I don't understand. PA has rather liberal gun laws. The law would benefit Pennsylvania license holders who want to travel to NJ and NY. PA really doesn't need to concern itself with
    license holders from NY or NJ entering the state, or from Maryland, as they are stingy with their licenses. *sarcasm* Must be afraid of Ohio folk, or those West Virginians.

    (Isn't the AG of PA a Republican? The governor is. The legislature is majority R. Just pointing out that party affiliation doesn't mean squat when it comes to gun owner rights. Yup, just double checked, an R against expanding gun owner rights. Imagine that.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    CT permit holders would benefit dramatically from a law requiring other states to recognize their license; and they others as well.

    Pennsylvania's AG I don't understand. PA has rather liberal gun laws. The law would benefit Pennsylvania license holders who want to travel to NJ and NY. PA really doesn't need to concern itself with
    license holders from NY or NJ entering the state, or from Maryland, as they are stingy with their licenses. *sarcasm* Must be afraid of Ohio folk, or those West Virginians.

    (Isn't the AG of PA a Republican? The governor is. The legislature is majority R. Just pointing out that party affiliation doesn't mean squat when it comes to gun owner rights. Yup, just double checked, an R against expanding gun owner rights. Imagine that.)
    I was not implying a pattern based on D or R, so much as these are basically the same states (for the most part) that one would expect. And as you pointed out, PA is somewhat out of the norm.
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    Don't really understand....these states already have Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity with other states now.
    There are two types of people who carry concealed weapons...Responsible ones and Irresponsible ones...which are you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dben002 View Post
    Don't really understand....these states already have Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity with other states now.
    A lot of states use Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity as a political tool, against other states. That is why there is such a patchwork of detective work for the basic permit holder to do, prior to traveling around the country, to make sure that it is legal. The States play games with each other, and often drop Reciprocity on short notice (e.g. New Mexico's game playing this last year, which was shouted down an reversed by a very vocal shooting community).

    It is also why the vast majority of us, who do travel often, have permits from two or more different States, to make sure we have coverage in the maximum number of places. I have 3 and am getting a 4th soon.

    It would be a lot easier to ensure that people are legally exercising their rights, with National Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity
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    Quote Originally Posted by dben002 View Post
    Don't really understand....these states already have Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity with other states now.
    Actually the only ones that have reciprocity or recognition with other states are PA and NV. The rest do not recognize any permits but their own, and of course IL does not have a permit at all.
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    Strange that so many AG's are against this, since (so far as I can tell) carriers need to have CHL and comply with the state's firearms/use-of-force statutes anyway. Seems as though all this does is take away the administrative bureaucracy and leverage as a tool of negotiation with other states. From a states rights perspective, I can almost understand the reticence, but IMO it makes zero sense at all from the perspective of citizen safety.

    It all comes down to the "control" arguments, I'd say. Control, control, control.
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    I can see it now,The AG's in States that would vote for an all state permit carry opposed to those that would prevent it in a 'Dance Fight" like in West Side Story
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    I can see it now,The AG's in States that would vote for an all state permit carry opposed to those that would prevent it in a 'Dance Fight" like in West Side Story
    That should still leave 80 senators in favor. 20 more than needed to stop a filibuster.

    There are unfortunately a lot of them who will talk the pro-gun owner rights talk, but vote a different way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    There are unfortunately a lot of them who will talk the pro-gun owner rights talk, but vote a different way.
    This statement, which is absolutely true, is one of the biggest reasons why it is so absolutely imperative that pro-gun community divorce themselves from the Republican party. When the legislators believe that they have unconditional support of any influential group or individual, they will (ab)use that group by talking the talk and failing at the walk. Instead they will give excuses as to why the time is not right to support the pro-2A initiative and suggest that they will be in a better position to do so after they have secured their re-election. Fortunately, as more and more registered Democrats and Independents join the gun toting ranks, this will occur via natural transition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    CT permit holders would benefit dramatically from a law requiring other states to recognize their license; and the others as well.

    Pennsylvania's AG I don't understand. PA has rather liberal gun laws. The law would benefit Pennsylvania license holders who want to travel to NJ and NY. PA really doesn't need to concern itself with
    license holders from NY or NJ entering the state, or from Maryland, as they are stingy with their licenses. *sarcasm* Must be afraid of Ohio folk, or those West Virginians.

    (Isn't the AG of PA a Republican? The governor is. The legislature is majority R. Just pointing out that party affiliation doesn't mean squat when it comes to gun owner rights. Yup, just double checked, an R against expanding gun owner rights. Imagine that.)
    Not no more, attorney general Kathleen Kaine was elected.. She is not good for pa as far as I know. This whole election was rigged.

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    Interesting. It's all already been said. States use it for and against other states, and it is a turf war type thing. Illinois may secceed if it passes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mg27 View Post
    Not no more, attorney general Kathleen Kaine was elected.. She is not good for pa as far as I know. This whole election was rigged.
    It looks like I maybe got Kathleen Kaine and Linda Kelly confused when I looked up PA AG; but which one is that news story regarding opposing reciprocity referring to.

    Kaine isn't yet AG; just AG elect. So if the AG did something to oppose reciprocity, would that not be something done by Kelly?
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    Re: 10 State Attorneys General Oppose Gun Permit Law - National Reciprocity

    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon10125 View Post
    Interesting. It's all already been said. States use it for and against other states, and it is a turf war type thing. Illinois may secceed if it passes.
    Illinois, secede? You tell funny stories...

    It won't happen, and neither will national reciprocity.
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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