October 10th, 2006 11:03 AM
MSNBC video on arming teachers
What one sided, nauseous drivel. Be sure to secure your head with duct tape first!
"Each worker carried his sword strapped to his side." Nehemiah 4:18
Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But...
Paramedics With Guns Scare People!
October 10th, 2006 12:35 PM
Well - we all know that ''councilling'' and ''resources'' will cure all ills
I do realize that, as we have discussed in other thread, there are many teachers who would not even entertain carry but there are some who could and would - as well as being amenable to adequate training etc. Then too the option of at least some armed security personel.
I am sure [cynic hat] - ''councilling'' would have made all the difference in these recent three school shootings [/cynic hat]
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October 10th, 2006 01:01 PM
Don't forget " the community" and "relationship." Because we all know that "staying in touch with the troubled youth of america" will keep adult criminals from walking into the school and shooting the place up.
October 11th, 2006 10:29 PM
Stan Johnson "Baa, Baa, Baa".
I guess it would be way too much to ask for equal time from a pro 2A teacher.
"The truth is not half as important as what people believe the truth to be." Napoleon
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October 12th, 2006 12:57 AM
It's time for new thinking about guns in schools
It's time for new thinking about guns in schools
By Andrew Rothman
In the last two weeks, we've seen a rash of deadly school shootings. In
Bailey, Colo., an armed man burst into a school, held six girls hostage,
molesting some of them before killing one of the girls and then himself. In
rural central Wisconsin, a 15-year-old boy shot and killed his school
And in Lancaster, Pa., Charles Carl Roberts IV took 10 Amish girls hostage
at a school, then shot them, execution-style. At this writing, five girls
have died, one has been removed from life support and brought home to die,
and four are still hospitalized.
Roberts wasn't Amish, police say, and held no particular grudge against
them. According to Pennsylvania's State Police commissioner, he just picked
the school because it was close, and had little or no security.
In all of these murders, the perpetrators chose to attack where they knew
there would be no effective resistance to their violence.
Unfortunately, that is the situation in almost all of our schools.
FBI statistics have proven that the single most effective means of
preventing violent harm is to resist with a firearm. And yet our lawmakers
and school officials have effectively assured that these deadly attacks will
continue to occur in our children's schools.
It doesn't have to be this way. In Israel, after PLO terrorists targeted
school children in 1974, the government started letting reservists keep
their guns at home and carry them on the streets.
Teachers and school nurses started to carry guns, armed parent (and
grandparent) volunteers patrolled the schools, and no field trips were
taken without armed guards.
As a result, the terrorists gave up on schools as targets. Well, one
particularly stubborn terrorist attempted a suicide attack in 2002, but an
Israeli teacher shot him before he harmed anyone.
In March 2005, when Jeff Weise killed his police officer grandfather, stole
his police guns and drove to Red Lake High School, he had nine minutes
before police arrived, time enough to kill an unarmed security guard, a
teacher and five students and to shoot and seriously injure seven more.
An armed guard, an armed principal or an armed janitor could have
stopped him within those nine minutes and cut short his deadly rampage.
Some will undoubtedly argue that more guns can only lead to more violence.
But to do so is to fall prey to the worst sort of moral relativism.
Offensive violence and defensive force are not the same; force, even lethal
force, in the protection of innocent lives, is a moral right embraced by
Mahatma Ghandi, the Dalai Lama, the Bible, the Koran, the Talmud, and every
legal system in our history from Minnesota Statutes to the 4,000-year-old
Code of Hammurabi.
Under Minnesota law, schools and day cares may allow faculty, staff, parents
or visitors with carry permits to carry a defensive firearm in the school.
All it takes is a letter of permission from the principal, superintendent or
day care director.
As a firearm instructor, I'm willing to do my part. I, or one on my fellow
certified instructors, will provide carry permit training, at no charge, for
any public school employee with such permission.
Minnesota school officials, we need those permissions to be given -
Minnesota's children are worth protecting.
Andrew Rothman, of Chanhassen, is a certified firearm instructor, executive
director of the Minnesota Association of Defensive Firearm Instructors
(www.madfi.org) and the father of two children who will soon be of school
Copyright (C) 2006 by Andrew Rothman. Permission is hereby granted to reproduce this article, complete and unaltered, in any format.
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October 12th, 2006 04:26 AM
amen, brother! a good man that does nothing, is evil enough. but when you are legally forced to leave your neighbors and yourself unprotected because of some "feel good" laws, then that is just tragic. in tn, the only time you can take your firearm to a school, is when you are picking up or dropping off someone, if you exit your vehicle, your firearm must stay there, i dont know if it is just paranoia, but it kills me to think that at my little sisters' soccer game i must go unarmed, because that is the law, but the psycho that could come and start shooting the place up probably would not honor that same law! i believe that if i have done everything right to get a carry permit then i am responsible enough to know when and where it is appropriate to use lethal force, and that goes for all my brothers and sisters in this great country that have received the same rights to carry as i have. to be able to meet force with force would not only save innocent lives, but would be a strong deterrent in its self!
October 12th, 2006 05:00 AM
Need more counsellors? give me a break, will they counsel the BG to drop the gun? What a dumba$$
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October 12th, 2006 06:33 AM
Andrew is debating the U of M Police chief on Tuesday about their gun ban for students and staff. Will you be there?
"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking" - George S. Patton.
October 12th, 2006 10:25 AM
Excellantly written article. Very straight-forward and rational. Do you have an external link to the article? I'd like to have some people read it, without having to register here.
Originally Posted by JimmyC
October 12th, 2006 10:48 AM
You bet ya! Just make it legal for me.
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