This is a discussion on Top 10 Killers - Gun Control Statistics within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Ahh. FBI stats and wikipedia. It must be true....
Ahh. FBI stats and wikipedia. It must be true.
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Related stats from the CDC for 2009 (FASTSTATS - Homicide)
* Number of deaths: 16,799
* Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.5
* Cause of death rank: 15
* Number of deaths: 11,493
* Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.7
Source: Deaths: Final Data for 2009, tables 9, 10, 11 Adobe PDF file [PDF - 2.1 MB] Adobe PDF file
I'm assuming that a bat in a 'smart carry' would look a little strange?
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The 15 leading causes of death in 2009 were:
1. Diseases of heart (heart disease)
2. Malignant neoplasms (cancer)
3. Chronic lower respiratory diseases
4. Cerebrovascular diseases (stroke)
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6. Alzheimer’s disease
7. Diabetes mellitus (diabetes)
8. Influenza and pneumonia
9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis (kidney disease)
10. Intentional self-harm (suicide)
12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis
13. Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease (hypertension)
14. Parkinson’s disease
15. Assault (homicide)
Note the original stats in the original post are a bit skewed; According to the CDC, of 16k homicides, about 11.4k are due to firearms.
And of the 11.4k firearm homicides, the gun was the tool of choice. Those 11.4k would not disappear if guns were not available. They would likely be less, yes, but not gone. And how many more victims of violent crimes would there be? All questions that cannot be answered....It all comes down to the agenda....
The "baseball bat" part of this was cooked up:
No need to lie in order to make the point. However, the firearm and non-firearm homicide #s look correct. And check this out. Between 2007 and 2010 there were 175 deaths by people who held a concealed carry permit. See this article:
Divide that by 3 gives you about 58 per year. That's 0.5% of the firearm deaths! So, 99.5% of homicides with a firearm are with committed by people who DON'T bother getting a permit! They don't bother with the law so more laws aren't going to stop them!
I got it wrong. It actually means that 95.5% of homicides didn't have a concealed carry permit. It doesn't meant that they possessed the gun illegally. Sorry for misleading info. I can't find any data on how many violent crimes committed with guns were by guns that were possessed illegally. Can anyone else?
Last edited by sterfry68; December 9th, 2012 at 04:14 PM. Reason: additional information
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B - If permit holders in fact committed 0.5% of firearm homicides (and we're not sure how many of those actually count as murder of any sort), it still means a permit holder is less likely to commit such crimes. Permit holders make up about 3% of the US population. So we're six times less likely to murder than the average person.
C - I don't give Sugarman any credibility in this matter, anyway. Oh, I said that already.
The only common sense gun legislation was written about 224 years ago.
I carry always not because I go places trouble is likely, but because trouble has a habit of not staying in its assigned zone.
Click on this link, here, and you'll go to the UCR tables for homicides. The UCR, Uniform Crime Reports, are generally speaking going to be considered a reliable and definitive source of data.
I'm in favor of gun control -- I think every citizen should have control of a gun.
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