POLL: IL carry legislation, features/restrictions

POLL: IL carry legislation, features/restrictions

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  • Might-issue (as opposed to Shall-issue)

    35 63.64%
  • Approval by county sheriff

    27 49.09%
  • Vague "person of good moral character" standards

    27 49.09%
  • Limits on venues

    31 56.36%
  • Limits on purchase frequency

    18 32.73%
  • Limits on magazine capacity

    23 41.82%
  • Limits on type/caliber of firearm

    14 25.45%
  • Training minimums

    38 69.09%
  • High CHL fees (say, above $250)

    33 60.00%
  • Safe-storage rqmt

    21 38.18%
  • Trigger-lock rqmt (when not carried, in-use)

    15 27.27%
  • State-wide preemption, invalidation of city/cty laws

    12 21.82%
  • Additional riders -- "assault" weapons

    12 21.82%
  • Additional riders -- certain weapon features

    12 21.82%
  • Additional riders -- ammo amount (owned, stored, carried)

    7 12.73%
  • Other (describe)

    4 7.27%
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    Question POLL: IL carry legislation, features/restrictions

    POLL: Which key features and restrictions do you think are most likely to be part of any implemented IL CHL legislation?


    Assume the legislation is going through (whenever that ends up being), for purposes of this poll.

    If you would, please keep this thread focused on just the anticipated CHL statute features/limits, avoiding wrangling over the ruling, or politics, or anything else. Multiple-choice poll; select as many elements as you see likely to be part of it.


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    Other: Weapon will need to be locked in a vault with a trigger lock at all times.

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    I voted Other. I don't think it will ever happen.

    Grew up in Illinois, and the Chicago Machine has a very long arm that will fight this to the ends of time....and they ususally get what they want.
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    My guess is that they'll look at the laws in those marvelously progressive, forward-thinking states like Massachusetts, New Jersey, California and Hawaii and pick the "best" features of those.
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    And the ocean liner begins it's long turn.... I'm happy for Illinois... but it's a long way from normal...
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    My guess is that they'll look at the laws in those marvelously progressive, forward-thinking states like Massachusetts, New Jersey, California and Hawaii and pick the "best" features of those.
    You left off the great freedom loving state of Maryland from your list.
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    It's not clear what you're going for here, at least to me.
    Is this a list of the kinds of things we would "like" to see, "expect" to see, or what?

    How about "none of the above" as in "Constitutional carry?"



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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveWorkman View Post
    It's not clear what you're going for here, at least to me.

    Is this a list of the kinds of things we would "like" to see, "expect" to see, or what?
    As described in the OP, my thought was to focus on what folks imagine is likely to be included in any implemented CHL legislation, presuming it's implemented. Not what we'd prefer, but what we think is likely to end up as part of the statutes.

    POLL: Which key features and restrictions do you think are most likely to be part of any implemented IL CHL legislation?
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    voted other = shall-issue

    I think the pro-2A legislators wield the power to force shall-issue. The ruling stated explicitly that the right to "bear arms" extends outside the home; therefore the ruling itself precludes may-issue.

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    My guess is it is going to be: may issue, lots of training required, very expensive, possibly annual renewal.
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    I also think it would be a May Issue state like it is here in California. Even though some places are Won't Issue and others are Will Issue. Here's how my interview went with the Sheriff:

    "Hello"
    "Hello" and shake hands.
    Him :"Well, do you have any questions?"
    Me:"I don't think so"
    Him:"OK, well I just like to put a face to the name"
    Done deal.

    That way in Chicago? No, but maybe in other rural places. I think it will be like California and the Sheriff will issue, big city counties are screwed and rural counties are better off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mprp View Post
    I also think it would be a May Issue state like it is here in California. Even though some places are Won't Issue and others are Will Issue.
    If this all comes to pass, it'll be interesting to see the map of 102 counties 1yr later ... with a handful of might-never-issue counties utterly surrounded by a sea of others. That will really tell the story. ~8M citizens (75% who are over 18yrs, of the 12M total), about to have the choice.
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    Probably a process like Wash DC, where it takes 3 yrs to get it and LOTS of money, and so tedious and confusing no one knows what the process really is.
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    I don't believe any of the restrictions comport with the peoples' right to keep and bear arms. I did, however, vote for statewide preemption to prevent municipalities such as Chicago and Skokie from passing their own more restrictive measures.
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    They will have a restriction like:
    You have to pay a $500 application fee (non-refundable)
    You will be required to take a 15 hour class per day for 6 months
    You will be required to carry nothing larger than a nerf gun
    A police officer must supervise you at all times while carrying and you will be responsible for his salary.

    PS: They won't honor any other state permit.
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