POLL: IL carry legislation, features/restrictions
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Might-issue (as opposed to Shall-issue)
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Approval by county sheriff
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Vague "person of good moral character" standards
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Limits on venues
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Limits on purchase frequency
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Limits on magazine capacity
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Limits on type/caliber of firearm
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Training minimums
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High CHL fees (say, above $250)
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Safe-storage rqmt
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Trigger-lock rqmt (when not carried, in-use)
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State-wide preemption, invalidation of city/cty laws
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Additional riders -- "assault" weapons
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Additional riders -- certain weapon features
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Additional riders -- ammo amount (owned, stored, carried)
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Other (describe)
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December 12th, 2012 07:35 PM
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POLL: IL carry legislation, features/restrictions
POLL: Which key features and restrictions do you think are most likely to be part of any implemented IL CHL legislation?
Assume the legislation is going through (whenever that ends up being), for purposes of this poll.
If you would, please keep this thread focused on just the anticipated CHL statute features/limits, avoiding wrangling over the ruling, or politics, or anything else. Multiple-choice poll; select as many elements as you see likely to be part of it.
BTW, Congratulations to Illinois citizens for the 7th CCoA victory, forcing concealed-carry legislation to be implemented!
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Thoughts: Justifiable self defense.
Explain: How does
disarming victims
reduce the number of victims?
Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
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December 12th, 2012 07:35 PM
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December 12th, 2012 07:49 PM
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Other: Weapon will need to be locked in a vault with a trigger lock at all times.
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December 12th, 2012 07:50 PM
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I voted Other. I don't think it will ever happen.
Grew up in Illinois, and the Chicago Machine has a very long arm that will fight this to the ends of time....and they ususally get what they want.
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December 12th, 2012 08:14 PM
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My guess is that they'll look at the laws in those marvelously progressive, forward-thinking states like Massachusetts, New Jersey, California and Hawaii and pick the "best" features of those.
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December 13th, 2012 12:43 PM
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And the ocean liner begins it's long turn.... I'm happy for Illinois... but it's a long way from normal...
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December 13th, 2012 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
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My guess is that they'll look at the laws in those marvelously progressive, forward-thinking states like Massachusetts, New Jersey, California and Hawaii and pick the "best" features of those.
You left off the great freedom loving state of Maryland from your list.
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December 13th, 2012 01:35 PM
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It's not clear what you're going for here, at least to me.
Is this a list of the kinds of things we would "like" to see, "expect" to see, or what?
How about "none of the above" as in "Constitutional carry?"
The governor is already trying to drum up fear and loathing and I wrote about it in my Examiner column.
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December 13th, 2012 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by
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It's not clear what you're going for here, at least to me.
Is this a list of the kinds of things we would "like" to see, "expect" to see, or what?
As described in the OP, my thought was to focus on what folks imagine is likely to be included in any implemented CHL legislation, presuming it's implemented. Not what we'd prefer, but what we think is likely to end up as part of the statutes.
POLL: Which key features and restrictions do you think are
most likely to be part of any implemented IL CHL legislation?
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
Thoughts: Justifiable self defense.
Explain: How does
disarming victims
reduce the number of victims?
Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
NRA, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.

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December 13th, 2012 08:32 PM
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voted other = shall-issue
I think the pro-2A legislators wield the power to force shall-issue. The ruling stated explicitly that the right to "bear arms" extends outside the home; therefore the ruling itself precludes may-issue.
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December 13th, 2012 08:44 PM
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My guess is it is going to be: may issue, lots of training required, very expensive, possibly annual renewal.
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December 13th, 2012 08:58 PM
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I also think it would be a May Issue state like it is here in California. Even though some places are Won't Issue and others are Will Issue. Here's how my interview went with the Sheriff:
"Hello"
"Hello" and shake hands.
Him :"Well, do you have any questions?"
Me:"I don't think so"
Him:"OK, well I just like to put a face to the name"
Done deal.
That way in Chicago? No, but maybe in other rural places. I think it will be like California and the Sheriff will issue, big city counties are screwed and rural counties are better off.
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December 14th, 2012 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by
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I also think it would be a May Issue state like it is here in California. Even though some places are Won't Issue and others are Will Issue.
If this all comes to pass, it'll be interesting to see the map of 102 counties 1yr later ... with a handful of might-never-issue counties utterly surrounded by a sea of others. That will really tell the story. ~8M citizens (75% who are over 18yrs, of the 12M total), about to have the choice.
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
Thoughts: Justifiable self defense.
Explain: How does
disarming victims
reduce the number of victims?
Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
NRA, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.

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December 14th, 2012 03:29 AM
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Probably a process like Wash DC, where it takes 3 yrs to get it and LOTS of money, and so tedious and confusing no one knows what the process really is.
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December 14th, 2012 04:53 AM
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I don't believe any of the restrictions comport with the peoples' right to keep and bear arms. I did, however, vote for statewide preemption to prevent municipalities such as Chicago and Skokie from passing their own more restrictive measures.
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December 14th, 2012 07:34 AM
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They will have a restriction like:
You have to pay a $500 application fee (non-refundable)
You will be required to take a 15 hour class per day for 6 months
You will be required to carry nothing larger than a nerf gun
A police officer must supervise you at all times while carrying and you will be responsible for his salary.
PS: They won't honor any other state permit.
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