This is a discussion on What has changed about our society that has created these mass shooters. within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Billb1960 This...
"Video games don't turn kids into killers any more than liking the color purple makes you gay"
IMO, these are not games but killing videos....and.....How do you know liking the color purple.....doesn't make you Gay.......? Hmmmm.........
I don't know what's changed, but it's not movies, video games or even rap music. I'm starting to think that some people are taking this apocalypse nonsense a bit to seriously. Who knows. God not allowed in schools...doubt it. Kids not spanked...could be. People are just messed up in the head...that sounds about right. The world is going to Hell in a handcart and we are just along for the ride. That's why we, as citizens, need to do what we can to protect ourselves and our loved ones.
" Life is tough and it gets tougher if your stupid." John Wayne.
1. Poor, if any parenting
2. Unwillingness to assume responsibility, or failure to be held accountable...
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A lot of gang bangers are not of draft age and by the time they are they have committed crimes that would preclude them frim the military
- Timothy McVeigh was in the army as well as his co conspirators
-Aurora? Yeah, I am sure that bott camp would have brought some sense to this sick persons mind
- Conn? The man could not possibly get into the military with his mental condition or what ever he had
-Columbine? They were still in HS
- Iowa shooting in 91, done by a student from China
My list goes on and on
I did a look at all of these mass shooting and killings since 1985 and others and most would not have been stopped by the "draft" Many were under 18, some were in there 30-50's and had been in the military, others were mentaly ill (no excuse, just could not get into the military), a few were not US citizens.
So please, tell me how the draft would help out all of these mass shootings.
Sorry, it is just a cliche that folks use without doing any research. Just like there needs to be more God in schools. Just nice catch phrases that makes people feel like there is a simple solution to a complex and hard to understand problem we have with folks in this country.
Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”
And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
I have thought about this for years, and believe there are several contributing factors. One is the internet - instant information, combined with cable / satellite TV that allows 24x7 news coverage. The quote from Dr. Dietz (bottom) is the first time I've seen a statement this strong about that. It seems to make a lot of sense.
Aside from the facts that seem to show things are not getting worse relative to population (previously mentioned by others on this thread), there does seem to be a big difference over the past 25-30 years.
In 1980 I brought my Win 94 30-30 rifle to school as part of a High School speech on deer hunting. The teacher gave me the OK without checking with anyone. No problem on the bus, bringing it into school (cased), or storing it in my locker. After lunch I retrieved the rifle for my speech, and we passed it around the room. After that I brought it back to my locker and ran into the Principal. He asked if it was unloaded and if I had any ammo. I told him yes and no (respectively), and then he asked me about my talk, pat me on the shoulder and told me to get back to class quickly. It's surreal if you think about the world today, but back then it was no big deal. We used to shoot .22 rifles at the YMCA on Saturday mornings in the basement of their facility. Again, something that would shock people today but was no big deal then.
Lt. Dave Grossman blames a lot of this on violent media (movies, TV, music) and violent video games. He says that the the video games today are extremely similar to what was used to train troops in the mid 1990's. I'm a bit old to be a big gamer, but there seems to be a correlation between the approach of those games and many of these high bodycount shootings. Grossman shows stats showing that this is not just an American problem. Who knows.
Finally, since the 1990's and Bill Clinton, society has been tolerant of a lack of personal accountability. People now want to look outwards to blame something or someone else. America is not the land of the victims and the home of the weak. We're the land of the free and the home of the brave. As such, you try to do what you believe is the right thing and then be responsible and accountable for the outcome. We've got to stop making excuses for bad people and bad events. The could also be a correlation in this with the decline in faith over roughly the same period.
So personally, I believe that there have been significant changes that have at least contributed to these changes in society.
Why it's the rise of the Religious Right of course!!! It all started when Reagan was elected!!
And Jerry Falwell!!!
And the tax exempt status of Mega Churches!!!
All that preaching about the Old testament and smiting and stuff!!!
Yeah that's it, it's the genocidal smiting in the Old testament!!!
Oh...the Tea Party!!!
All those people are fanatics aren't they??? Yeah that's it!!!!
Okay seriously now a correlation isn't a causation...
Everyone has their own hobby horse that they like to trot out and gallop past the stands but in the end it really comes down to unstable people getting their hands on weapons. But the "crazy" comes first in all instances and that's where you have to "nip it in the bud"
What's changed?....Deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill since the 1960's and the demise of the two parent household
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
... people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
Comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam
In her eye
It's interesting when people die-
Give us dirty laundry
Can we film the operation?
Is the head dead yet?
You know, the boys in the newsroom got a
Get the widow on the set!
We need dirty laundry
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1. The media sensationalizing EVERYTHING and the speed at how news stories travel world-wide. Minor stuff happening in 'East Ja-bip' is front page news in seconds. 20 years ago, you'd have never heard of "Eat Ja-bip'.
2. Decline of family values and rise in one parent households. Some of these single parents wear that title like a badge of honor. How many families still have dinner all together without the TV blaring?
3. Political correctness run amok. Try spanking your kid in the grocery store today and see what happens. Back in my day, my friends parents could spank you, then they called your house and you got spanked again by your parents! You were held accountable for everything.
4. Isolation. Kids today aren't as social; they text and use social networking media to communicate. I had a parent scold me because I haven't supplied my 10 and 12 year olds with cell phones yet!
Just my thoughts...
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