This is a discussion on What has changed about our society that has created these mass shooters. within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by bklynboy What's changed?....Deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill since the 1960's Mental Illness is the issue. Read these: Column: Dealing with guns and ...
Column: Dealing with guns and mental illness
'I Am Adam Lanza's Mother': A Mom's Perspective On The Mental Illness Conversation In America
Here is where we need to focus some of our time and money.
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IMO, some of these aspects haven't helped:What has changed about our society that has created these mass shooters.
- A continuing vacillation with handling violent criminals, such that (to them, the criminals) the "justice" system has simply become a legal meat grinder that can be waited-out, all the while treating imprisonment as "three squares a day" and post-grad crime school.
- Continuing vacillation with legislation, continuing to weaken things beyond recognition. Frau Feinstein and Herr Schumer come to mind.
- Continuing taking from states, pushing responsibilities and funding "up" to Uncle, instead of keeping problem-solving local like it once was, serving to dramatically inflame people's sense of lack of empowerment, hopelessness to effect change.
- Continuing budget pressures that have taken "beat" cops off the street and out of the neighborhoods.
- Continuing malfeasance and crimes at the congressional level that has served only to eviscerate any trust in their ability to fairly and effectively get the job done. Being beholden to the highest bidder doesn't help, as many of them sadly are.
- Continuing promotion of legalese-infested statutes regarding use-of-force that effectively bewilder and hogtie the average citizen, including enticing energetic prosecutors to go after the folks left standing.
- A rise of incredibly well-funded and uber-violent gangs across every town and city.
- A simple realization on the part of the average violent criminal that JFK was right: often, all it takes is for a person to be willing. Well, murderers and robbers have learned that lesson really well.
- Lack of guiding moral principles taught to our children. Church, parenting, ...
- Lack of a stable, one-parent-at-home / one-parent-working type arrangement that affords kids a constant chaperone and example in their daily lives.
- The rise of the 24x7 media-blitz daily environment, for many, in which doom-and-gloom protestations, blood and gore, and dire import of societal/governmental changes is practically all that people see, hear.
- So many distractions competing for our attention that, for many (most?), the "simple life" is dead, breeding mistrust, frustration and anger ... sure to be released in ugly ways by many.
What's changed? Well, urban living is more likely to create mental illness. It's not common, but it's still there even though we try to ignore it. What else has changed? Well, we seriously underfund mental illness medical R&D. So, it's a percolating issue.
Let me say this, I was just in the hospital for an overnight stay for hernia surgery. After the surgery I had an additional overnight stay. Now this is only two nights stay in the hospital and guess what the bill was, yeah $14446.29 granted I have Blue Cross and Blue Shield insurance so it didn't cost me a dime but I am still concerned at the high cost of medical coverage. Now I am blessed enough to have medical coverage for this but what about the millions of people that don't and I suspect a large and I mean a very large percentage of the people that need mental health coverage don't have it, so what do they do. I might add that the bill I stated does not include the cost of the surgery and numerous other charges that I will not get into.
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McVeigh was a terrorist. He had a purpose. So did Eric Rudolph and that nutjob in Norway. For this argument, they don't count. We're talking about that 18-25 year old unemployed wandering aimlessly male who has the time on his hands to dream up stuff like this. Would a draft help weed out the misfits on a section 8 discharge and make it harder for some of them to purchase weapons? Possibly. Would it put idle minds to work? Possibly. Would it help with that unemployment problem? Possibly.
There aren't any easy answers or solutions. The question was asked and that was one thing that popped into my head and now you know my thinking behind it.
Getting away from our founding priciples. Without a belief in God what makes a human life more sacred than a chicken or a cow. Without fear of punishment both on earth and in the after life what is there to keep someone from taking their own life and others on their way out.
Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around laws. Plato
Again, on topic and about preventing mass shootings.
Off topic: We could not afford a draft and I do not think we need everyone to be forced into the military.
Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”
And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”
Morgan Freeman’s brilliant take on what happened :
“You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here’s why.
It’s because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he’ll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN’s article says that if the body count “holds up”, this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer’s face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer’s identity? None that I’ve seen yet. Because they don’t sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you’ve just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man’s name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news.”
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Some people brought up separation of church and state issues or whatever. I can go through a whole list of stuff from the cancellation of "Captain Kangaroo" to the evaporation of the middle class. Like you said. There aren't any easy answers.
First excuse my typing . What has changed let me see when I was very young we went to school and had about one hour of homework when we got home then we would actually go outside to play playing ball or going out in the woods running and doing things outside in the fresh air, today children have about three hours of homework and very few of them go out to play, they go on the computer and play video games and because of this they are exposed to a lot of violence and no exercise , and from lack of exercise some of them become a little fidgety during the day in school so the doctor prescribes drugs to put them on instead of going out and playing and get some exercise, and the food I ate as a child was real food today most of the food people eat is mostly chemicals, and when I was a child my father had one job that was enough to support a household, today both parents have to work sometimes a couple jobs so we have no child supervision at home sometimes, years ago most all Americans had a job that was when America made everything in this country and all the factories employed the American people, today half of America is out of work because all these American corporations no longer make their products here but yet they want to sell them here, and years ago our government wasn't telling the people these are jobs we no longer want that these jobs are now for the illegal aliens that are here who you have to support, so now we have a tremendous amount of stress in family environments, years ago the insurance companies did not control the medical industry because of how much money they would pay out, so today we have a lot of unstable people walking around the streets because the insurance companies will not pay for them to be instituted they put them on the honor system you take your medication and be a good boy, years ago when all the immigrants came to this country they wanted to be part of this country and become American, but today the immigrants that come to this country they want this country to become part of them, so America as we know it is deteriorating into what I don't know, and the violence on TV and in the movies and those video games is nothing like when I was a child the only violence I had on TV when I was very young was maybe Elliot Ness, just about every little boy had a BB gun and played cowboys and Indians with his Sixshooter, today if a child goes outside with a BB gun to play with somebody calls the police, and I have only scratched the surface of the differences that have changed in this country