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    Quote Originally Posted by the6shooter View Post
    Change the law when it comes to mental health, make the doctors, provide the info. to the ATF, they can keep the info. private.
    The same way they keep straw purchasers from shipping gus to Mexico?
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    I think this question is causing me...mental illness.
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    What makes anyone think that a mentally ill person would answer those questions candidly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by onacoma View Post
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    Should we allow questions like:

    Do you have a family member who is a felon? Or has anyone within your family had a domestic violence issue? Or does anyone within your family take prescription drugs?

    All of these are disqualifiers for gun buyers!
    I didn't ask if there were any in the family. It is a question of whether they are in the home where the guns are to be stored and whether those people would have access to the firearm if unsecured.
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    Not a good idea that'll be effective, IMO.

    Voluntary question, yes. But a point of comparison, then, for any background checking.

    Of course, if so vaguely queried about "mental illness," it's hard to see the value. These days, it seems anyone can find a psychiatrist to label someone as having this or that "disorder" or "syndrome" irrespective of whether it's identifiable as such by a different psychiatrist or even made it into mainstream medicine. In short, as others have suggested, define mental "illness."

    One thing I hate is the arbitrary, moveable goalposts, as is the case with may-issue CHL based on a "good/sufficient reason." Likewise, "illness" is pretty darned vague. And there's no getting around the simple fact that someone's got to decide on that vagueness. In that sense, specifically, it's a slippery slope, since where does one person's opinion end when further distribution of guns is at issue? Particularly if that person's got a dog in the fight, an axe to grind, anti-gunner at heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the6shooter View Post
    Change the law when it comes to mental health, make the doctors, provide the info. to the ATF, they can keep the info. private.
    They are already supposed to report to the feds so if you are a disqualified person you will show up on the NICS check. But the doctors don't know who lives with who so they can only flag their patients, not their patients room mates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limatunes View Post
    Define kids.. define mental disorders.. define secure..

    Where do you start? Where do you stop for that matter?

    Right now trigger locks are to be provided with every firearm. Should it be a safe? Should you have random checks to make sure that people are putting them on their guns? Is a gun in a holster on your side secure enough?

    Not trying to be confrontational, just wondering what your opinions on how you would define these things.
    Lima, those are all good questions, and it why I referenced Texas laws regarding access to readily dischargable firearm.

    Some of the locks that come with the guns are really crappy and wouldn't keep a 2yr old from taking them off, some of the other ones are actually good locks and could be considered secure IMO.

    It would be impossible to go around checking whether or not the firearms were all secure. It wouldn't be impossible to enforce laws when people are found violating them.

    If I give a drunk access to my vehicle, am I not liable for damages, I don't think it unreasonable to say I should be liable if I give someone unfit access to my firearms. But that is my take on it.

    I would rather see something of this nature than what will likely come down the pipe with current talk in Washington and around the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost tracker View Post
    I think this question is causing me...mental illness.
    I'm going to report you...

    But...it could come to just THAT, someone else reporting you for ANY reason.
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    How about this, instead.

    We make it mandatory that all able bodied citizens get training, and carry concealed handguns. After all, when the 2A was written, that was the intent. All male citizens over a certain age were to be armed, and proficient in the use of said arms. If you object, you need to pay a tax that goes toward supporting the police.

    Then, if anything happens, there will be a whole host of armed citizens there to deal with the situation.

    We would not need to worry about mentally ill getting guns, or criminals, or anything else. Because if anyone tried anything stupid, they would not live very long.

    There ya go.
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    asking people if they are mentally ill, is kinda silly.

    if they want to buy a gun and are mentally ill, they will simply answer "no".

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    How about this, instead.
    We make it mandatory that all able bodied citizens get training, and carry concealed handguns. After all, when the 2A was written, that was the intent. All male citizens over a certain age were to be armed, and proficient in the use of said arms. If you object, you need to pay a tax that goes toward supporting the police.
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    I dont know how serious you are, but forcing something on everyone is as bad as taking it the option away from them. It almost sounds like our new approach to health insurance

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    Too much of a "feel good" measure. No way to validate the "no" answer without more govt "help".

    This shooting in CT is not about the guns (or at least, it shouldn't).

    This shooting is about a disturbed individual. One that cannot be prosecuted and give "the people" their pound of flesh...or explain why he committed this heinous crime.

    As a result, community leaders feel the need to do "something"....blame "something"...because the someone can't be blamed. The easy target (pun intended) is guns...because they are "evil" and it fits the popular social agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limatunes View Post
    Define kids.. define mental disorders.. define secure..

    Where do you start? Where do you stop for that matter?

    Right now trigger locks are to be provided with every firearm. Should it be a safe? Should you have random checks to make sure that people are putting them on their guns? Is a gun in a holster on your side secure enough?

    Not trying to be confrontational, just wondering what your opinions on how you would define these things.
    Kids--under 18

    Mental disorders--those diagnosed with such by medicos

    Secure--trigger locks, safes, anything that renders a firearm unuseable or keeps it out of the hands of those who shouldn't have access.

    Unfortunately, the mother whose firearms were used in the CT murders cannot be held accountable as she failed to secure her firearms from an alledgedly unstable son.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thmtn View Post
    We make it mandatory that all able bodied citizens get training, and carry concealed handguns. After all, when the 2A was written, that was the intent. All male citizens over a certain age were to be armed, and proficient in the use of said arms. If you object, you need to pay a tax that goes toward supporting the police. Then, if anything happens, there will be a whole host of armed citizens there to deal with the situation. We would not need to worry about mentally ill getting guns, or criminals, or anything else. Because if anyone tried anything stupid, they would not live very long.
    Where's the top-end age restriction? When do you plan to pull my teeth & who decides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SayVandelay View Post
    I dont know how serious you are, but forcing something on everyone is as bad as taking it the option away from them. It almost sounds like our new approach to health insurance
    Not really. Health insurance is not in the Constitution. The 2A is.

    At the time the 2A was written, it was rather common for all males (usually 16 +) to be required to provide a gun, powder, and a bayonet - and to muster for training at a regular interval for the local militia. Some areas still have such laws on the books, but they are not enforced.

    And if you are a 'conscientious objector' to militia service, you can "buy" your way out by paying a tax, the proceeds of which are used to pay someone else to protect you.

    Quote Originally Posted by ghost tracker View Post
    Where's the top-end age restriction? When do you plan to pull my teeth & who decides?
    I was really trying to make a point. Rather than more useless legislation, we would be safer by having more law-abiding citizens go about armed. Only a small percentage of the population has a CCW - hence my suggesting we go back to our roots and make "militia" service mandatory.

    And at the time, once you reached the "top end" of militia service, no one took your guns away. After all, they were your own property. You were merely no longer required to show up for militia service.

    Thus endeth our history lesson for the day.
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