It's a mental health problem; not a gun problem.

It's a mental health problem; not a gun problem.

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    It's a mental health problem; not a gun problem.

    The prominence of mass shootings in recent times has culminated with the previously unthinkable horror of the most recent episode in Connecticut. I doubt that any among us could feel anything but sadness and horror when contemplating these terrible deaths.

    But we do not blame box cutters for 9/11 or diesel fuel and fertilizer for federal building bombings, etc. there is NO logic in blaming guns in this case. There is even less logic in focusing on the 'proper' number of rounds in a magazine (or, as they insist on repeating, a 'clip').

    We need to focus on keeping our children, planes, buildings, etc. safe right now.

    In the near future, we need to focus on decreasing the access to guns by felons and mentally disturbed individuals, I read a post on Glocktalk that suggested we consider a tax on gun (or maybe ammo) purchases that would be solely dedicated to either implementing or researching ways to reduce violence of this sort.

    I bet it could even be written carefully enough to keep our representatives from deflecting it or robbing it for their re-election purposes.

    I'm going to write my congressman and senators and suggest it. What do you think...?
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    I say an emphatic HELL NO on any imposed taxes on guns or ammo. All that would do is further infringe on our rights, and it still would not stop evil people from murdering innocent people.



    How about they tax us for any other rights, too? That thinking needs to be squashed right now, and quick. Think about it, how well do they manage our money right now?
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    Re: It's a mental health problem; not a gun problem.

    Head to desk is far more appropriate here than a face palm.

    I say, hell no, to this idea.
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    It's really simple. The way to reduce violence, of any sort - is to encourage more good citizens to go about armed with concealed sidearms. The next simple step is to eliminate most "gun free zones."

    Period.

    Making it harder/more expensive for law abiding citizens to arm themselves is not the answer.
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    a tax on gun (or maybe ammo) purchases that would be solely dedicated to either implementing or researching ways to reduce violence of this sort.
    So, upstanding citizens are supposed to pay for ways to reduce criminal violence, simply because criminals opt sometimes to use firearms to commit their murders, robberies and other heinous crimes?

    On that basis, HELL NO.

    Tax a people fairly over funding research into penology/corrections, mental health understanding, and (yes) the weapons connections to crime. Fine. Earmark it, if you have to. But do it fairly, NOT by penalizing upstanding citizens in only one group merely because criminals choose to select those same defensive tools and misuse them criminally. Not justifiable, otherwise.
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    It was a mental health problem in combination with an irresponsible parent problem (considering the mental state of her kid) and that turned out to be a very deadly combination.

    You do not need to implement a tax to figure that out. I just did it for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    It was a mental health problem in combination with an irresponsible parent problem (considering the mental state of her kid) and that turned out to be a very deadly combination.

    You do not need to implement a tax to figure that out. I just did it for free.
    Can you come up with a solution for the problem at no cost? Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    It was a mental health problem in combination with an irresponsible parent problem (considering the mental state of her kid) and that turned out to be a very deadly combination.

    You do not need to implement a tax to figure that out. I just did it for free.
    Exactly. Taxes go to many things. Funding appropriate levels of research, handling and implementation of mental health steps in our country is worth doing. In that sense, it's already taxed. It's just either refunneled elsewhere, or not at appropriate levels to the needs (evaluation, commitment, post-release monitoring, training related to the issues, etc)
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    It was a mental health problem in combination with an irresponsible parent problem (considering the mental state of her kid) and that turned out to be a very deadly combination.
    Indeed its a mental health problem. To date political hacks have avoided talking about mental misfits and guns. The CT legislature recently vetoed a mental health bill at the request of the ACLU.


    NEWTOWN, Conn. (CBS Connecticut) – As the national discussion on mental health continues following the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School that killed 27 people, a recent mental health bill that was defeated in Connecticut may have helped in keeping Adam Lanza away.

    Before Friday’s heinous act, there was talk in Connecticut’s state legislature to beef up the state’s “assisted outpatient treatment” law, according to Breitbart.com. Connecticut Senate Bill 452 was proposed in February “to enhance the care and treatment of persons with psychiatric disabilities in both inpatient and outpatient settings.” But the bill was defeated in March, with opposition calling it “outrageously discriminatory.” The ACLU said the bill would “infringe on patients’ privacy rights by expanding [the circle of] who can medicate individuals without their consent.”

    Had the AOT bill been passed, it would have given the state the right to institutionalize a person who is mentally ill for treatment if the state has enough evidence to believe that the person could be a danger to himself or the community.
    Connecticut Mental Health Bill Defeated Months Before Deadly School Shooting CBS Connecticut


    Its not about guns. Its about mental cases who should not be allowed to own or have access to guns. Its also about copycat murders. Some reports are saying Lanza had Aspergers syndrome. The guy who murdered his father and his fathers girl friend in WY with a bow had Aspergers. He blamed his Dad for his having Aspergers.



    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/03...odds-with-dad/

    The 10 year old grandson of a close friend from college has Aspergers: They have to watch that kid like a hawk. Sometimes he goes totally unresponsive.

    Aspergers syndrome:



    The symptoms of Asperger's syndrome vary and can range from mild to severe. Common symptoms include:

    Problems with social skills: Children with Asperger's syndrome generally have difficulty interacting with others and often are awkward in social situations. They generally do not make friends easily. They have difficulty initiating and maintaining conversation.
    Eccentric or repetitive behaviors: Children with this condition may develop odd, repetitive movements, such as hand wringing or finger twisting.
    Unusual preoccupations or rituals: A child with Asperger's syndrome may develop rituals that he or she refuses to alter, such as getting dressed in a specific order.

    Communication difficulties: People with Asperger's syndrome may not make eye contact when speaking with someone. They may have trouble using facial expressions and gestures, and understanding body language. They also tend to have problems understanding language in context.
    Limited range of interests: A child with Asperger's syndrome may develop an intense, almost obsessive, interest in a few areas, such as sports schedules, weather, or maps.

    Coordination problems: The movements of children with Asperger's syndrome may seem clumsy or awkward.
    Skilled or talented: Many children with Asperger's syndrome are exceptionally talented or skilled in a particular area, such as music or math.

    The New York Times reported Saturday morning that Adam Lanza, 20, was socially awkward and was known in high school as “intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful.”

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