The psychotic drug approach

[dean1818]

The problem really is mental illness

A primary solution to the problem is to have weapons locked up at all times if you have a child with mental health issues.

In a safe, or at least full trigger locks which are difficult to remove.

This might have stopped the problem in CT

A bigger solution would be to add anyone being treated for psychotic condition to a registry that would be searchable on a background check. A doctors approval would be the only way for this person to get a weapon.

This wouldnt catch all, but would weed out a few.

The fact is.... Not everyone that wants a gun is fit to have one.

Our 2a rights are being threatened by actions of a few.

Maybe its time to cull out the few.

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[CanuckQue]

Ah ... "first they came for the mentally ill ... and I did not object", eh?

"Cull"? How about "aggressively financially support the necessary charities"? Like, aggressively, in the range of what we spend on beer or cable tv?

[dean1818]

Ah ... "first they came for the mentally ill ... and I did not object", eh?

"Cull"? How about "aggressively financially support the necessary charities"? Like, aggressively, in the range of what we spend on beer or cable tv?

Not take the mentally "away"....... Just do anything to make sure that they have no access to firearms.

These are the folks that are the usual culprits for killings.

[kapnketel]

Define "psychotic". A doctor's note to buy a firearm? Why not require a complete physical and mental examination for anyone wanting to purchase a weapon? Seems to be a slippery slope.

[CanuckQue]

Not take the mentally "away"....... Just do anything to make sure that they have no access to firearms.

These are the folks that are the usual culprits for killings.

It's the fair, accurate, and affordable diagnosis that's the main limitation.

[dean1818]

Define "psychotic". A doctor's note to buy a firearm? Why not require a complete physical and mental examination for anyone wanting to purchase a weapon? Seems to be a slippery slope.

Actually, a note from a doctor IF the person is ALREADY being treated for an anti social condition.

[CanuckQue]

I'd prefer a mandatory doctor-patient confidentiality, though.

[Hopyard]

The problem really is mental illness

A primary solution to the problem is to have weapons locked up at all times if you have a child with mental health issues.

In a safe, or at least full trigger locks which are difficult to remove.

This might have stopped the problem in CT

A bigger solution would be to add anyone being treated for psychotic condition to a registry that would be searchable on a background check. A doctors approval would be the only way for this person to get a weapon.

This wouldnt catch all, but would weed out a few.

The fact is.... Not everyone that wants a gun is fit to have one.

Our 2a rights are being threatened by actions of a few.

Maybe its time to cull out the few.

Don't think so. First off psychoses cover a huge range of issues and the vast majority of folks who are psychotic are not
violent. Second no doc would accept the liability for releasing someone to carry. They are not mind readers. Don't give them that much power over others. Third, lot of very normal appearing and acting people, indeed actually normal people, will suffer
a brief psychotic break at some point in their life. Most will recover in a few seconds or minutes or hours, and never
pose a danger to anyone, but the thing is anyone can go off the deep end without warning.

[Burns]

Actually, a note from a doctor IF the person is ALREADY being treated for an anti social condition.

So if you have an "antisocial condition" you are going to go out and start shootin' everything up?

[ghost tracker]

Okay, I'm certainly NOT the sharpest knife in this drawer. But what if the previously undiagnosed, mentally unstable, mass murderer instead uses a disconnected natural gas line & a Bic lighter as his tool? Why are we, as a culture, so sure that firearm restriction is gonna' slow this madness down? A bag of Kraft Jet-Puffed Marshmallows become a weapon in the hands of a predator willing to shove all of 'em up your nose. It's NOT THE TOOL that matters, it's the act!

[dean1818]

I think everyone on this forum would agree that it isnt the tool that is to blame.

It is the " unhinged" person, AND the person who does not secure their firearm from the unhinged person, in
Their own home when the cases arise.

As it sits right now, there is strong momentum against the auto rifles that soon or over time, could be banned.

How many more mall shootings or school shootings will the non- gun owners tolerate?

The problem is with the person that is crazy.

This is a method to keep a few of the crazy people from having the opportunity to shoot others

I will tell you... The " do nothing" crowd ( and in some cases, no solution crowd) could be suprised how quickly the gun freedoms we enjoy, could be changed forever.

Ever talk to former sport shooters in the UK? They still cant believe it.

I have also traveled to austrailia..... Same thing.


If there is a better solution, one that would greatly reduce these public shootings, please share

[dean1818]

So if you have an "antisocial condition" you are going to go out and start shootin' everything up?

This is the most ridiculous thread. Done here.

And your solution is?

[Cold Shot]

I would rather see assault rifles banned than to have the federal government keeping track of medical issues.

Obviously, I don't think ar's should be banned/restricted.

[ghost tracker]

If there is a better solution, one that would greatly reduce these public shootings, please share

That's my point. Crazy people are the problem. If I snapped my fingers & all the guns magically disappeared, do you think these crazy mass murderers are gonna' stop?!? Any panic-driven, anti-gun legislation might (possibly) reduce public "shootings", but it will NOT slow down an individual determined to commit murder/suicide. It will ONLY serve to handicap our most effective, personally available protection AGAINST these lunatics!

[suntzu]

Sorry, I am not getting a doctors note to get permission to buy a gun. Ever look at the stats of how docs get diagnosis wrong? And IMO a medical doc has a much easier way of quntifieing and illness. A Physchaitris or pyschologist is much more subjective in a diagnosis than an MD.

And, how many docs are going to sign a note saying you are mentally fit to own a gun without fear of a law suit if something happens. No way dude. They will err on the side of caution.

And as far as vets.......I know of not one that would ever seek help if your luddicrous idea was put in place. It will be so easy for a doc to come up with some form of PTSD diagnsis for a war vet, fireman, emt, paramedic.

Yes, we need ideas, not crazy one (pardon the pun)