Michigan SB0059

Michigan SB0059

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    Gov. vetoed this bill that would have taken the restrictions off of a CPL. Now he wants to go after open carry laws.
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    So he wants to be a one term Gov, eh?
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    Michigan SB0059

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    So he wants to be a one term Gov, eh?

    Hopefully, he's stomp on everything in Michigan except how to get him and his cronnies richer.
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    Sorry guys..

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    Frankly, it wasn't a sure thing BEFORE Newtown. After that, we didn't stand a chance.
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    it was likely to be signed before newtown.. afterwards he said he wanted to review it more... I'm sure he was pressured or in some way felt obligated in light of present events to veto the bill.

    the problem in Michigan, which is for the most part a very blue state, is that when people hear about this bill, they hear that "the governer/congress wants to put guns in our schools and hospitals and stadiums, etc..." which isnt true at all.

    Those of us who know and research before running our mouths know that among about 500 other things, it allows CPL holders to take additonal training to be exempt from the gun free zones. And who are the people that are going to be bringing these guns into our schools after paying cash and going through all this training? Parents picking up their kids, teachers and administrators.. thats it.

    the Michigan Legislature can still override his veto.. we'll see where this goes. I'm betting it will at least be an option put on the table, seeing how the bill is more about reforming and streamlining the process of obtaining a CPL and saving and generating money.

    Its disappointing to see politicians cave in and look away from their supposed principles because they feel pressured or under scrutiny to do so.
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    It was NOT a foregone conclusion. This story had been out somewhere before. I can't recall where exactly.

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    Snyder said the determining factor in his decision to veto the bill was that it did not give the venues the freedom to post no guns allowed signs if they determined they wanted to. If that was his real reason I can respect that. Maybe this will come back around with that issue resolved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalman View Post
    Snyder said the determining factor in his decision to veto the bill was that it did not give the venues the freedom to post no guns allowed signs if they determined they wanted to. If that was his real reason I can respect that. Maybe this will come back around with that issue resolved.
    The problem with allowing these public locations to post as if they were private property is that in Michigan we have a Preemption clause. This basically states that no lesser jurisdiction can pass laws/ordinances more restrictive than what is in State Law.

    So, if the local public school is allowed to post, eventually the argument will be made that the local park, library, or walking trail can post. Preemption would go out the window. It would be a step backward.

    All in all, regarding CC, we are no worse off today than we were on Monday. Who knows what tomorrow will bring.
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    Hopefully a new governer.
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    I had hopes for Snyder.. I thought a business man would know how to turn our economy around and generate revenue.. and uphold the TRADITIONAL conservative values.. (which seem to have been lost by nearly everyone btw).. instead I am seeing him and his administration act like any other group of politicians.. and not always working in the best interest of the people.

    Not to say that Granholm was any different or did better (she was horrible).. it just gets so frustrating because we move from one lousy politician to the next.. the "good guys" are too far and few between, and too small a voice to make a difference unless a huge paradigm shift occurs at either the state or national level.

    I fear that the country is going towards a consensus of politically correct "progressive" liberalism... the idea of small federal government, strong states, strong/secure but open borders with a powerful military and free market economy is a thing of the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonJ View Post
    it was likely to be signed before newtown.. afterwards he said he wanted to review it more... I'm sure he was pressured or in some way felt obligated in light of present events to veto the bill.

    the problem in Michigan, which is for the most part a very blue state, is that when people hear about this bill, they hear that "the governer/congress wants to put guns in our schools and hospitals and stadiums, etc..." which isnt true at all.

    Those of us who know and research before running our mouths know that among about 500 other things, it allows CPL holders to take additonal training to be exempt from the gun free zones. And who are the people that are going to be bringing these guns into our schools after paying cash and going through all this training? Parents picking up their kids, teachers and administrators.. thats it.

    the Michigan Legislature can still override his veto.. we'll see where this goes. I'm betting it will at least be an option put on the table, seeing how the bill is more about reforming and streamlining the process of obtaining a CPL and saving and generating money.

    Its disappointing to see politicians cave in and look away from their supposed principles because they feel pressured or under scrutiny to do so.

    True, But in fairness he did sign HB5225, and the Permit/registration system is now history. I'm not sure when it
    goes into effect, but the MSP and local police departments have six months to destroy all of their pistol registration
    records. The only exception is private person to person sales still require a permit if you don't have a CPL. So he's
    certainly better than Governor "I'll form a committee" on it Granholm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supertac45 View Post


    The bills would eliminate the current requirements that a person obtain a license to own a pistol and that a record of the license be kept within a State database. This would reduce costs for law enforcement in general and for the Department of State Police in particular. Without the responsibility of providing licensing forms and maintaining a State pistol registry, the State Police reports that savings from its firearms record unit would include approximately 2.0 FTEs and $300,000 to $400,000.

    If you look at the time line it says the bill was "approved by the Governor" on the 12/27.

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