More background checks
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Post By buckeye .45
December 19th, 2012 07:33 AM
More background checks
I have no problem with additional or more stringent background checks. I have already gone through the process necessary to get my Trusted Traveller card - FBI background check, interview, etc., to get the card to speed up my pre-flight security process and streamline the border customs process. I have nothing to hide. I would like an endorsement on my Trusted Traveller card, just like on a driver's license, that would streamline the background check process wherever I acquire a firearm. If I stop paying my taxes, or assault my wife, or molest a child, or vote for a democrat ;), they can take away my firearm purchase endorsement. Make the program attractive to law-abiding gun owners and you will get better acceptance and possibly even voluntary compliance.
December 19th, 2012 07:38 AM
I have no problem either other than:
1) Bad guys will continue to get their guns illegally, so additional background checks would be a non-factor.
2) It continues to foster the notion that one must prove their innocence before purchasing a firearm, which strikes me as contrary to the American system.
3) The HIPPA law and other forms of political correctness will not allow pertinent data to be accessed.
4) Often times juvenile criminal records are sealed and cannot be accessed.
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December 19th, 2012 08:19 AM
Re: More background checks
Background checks do nothing to prevent crime.
They are principally wrong because they assume guilt and you must prove your innocence before you can exercise your right.
Why not put background checks on every right? To single out gun owners is discrimination.
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December 19th, 2012 08:39 AM
I wish America would quit pe eing money away on activities that do absolutely nothing to address the problems at hand.
Last edited by Caertaker; December 19th, 2012 at 08:40 AM.
Reason: Didn't like the word pi s s ing
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December 19th, 2012 08:54 AM
Background checks are fine, so far as they go.
Trouble is, they don't go very far. By design, they're self-selecting to operate only on the basically lawful subset of the citizenry. In the end, the vast majority of criminals simply don't apply for a CHL or go into the local gun shop to purchase an over-the-counter weapon. So, background checks don't stop them ... and THEY are the most dangerous folks, by far.
I'm all for the concept of reducing the likelihood a violent felon about to attack me has less capability during that attack. But putting in a system that checks me and other upstanding citizens like me (largely only that group) isn't a recipe for reducing the likelihood, practically speaking.
It's fine, as far as it goes. It just doesn't effectively de-claw the folks it's hoped the program would de-claw.
Last edited by ccw9mm; December 20th, 2012 at 12:40 AM.
December 19th, 2012 09:09 AM
-You don't have to prove anything to get a firearm, an investigation in just that, "their look-see", not "your-case". The point is to see if the Right pertains to so and so, that so and so is a sane, law-abiding citizen not addicted to mind-altering substances. Well, only one way to find out: investigate.
Originally Posted by NETim
-HIPPA does most certainly allow pertinent info to be accessed. Just read what the records contain.
-Bad guys will continue to get their guns illegally, until the Gun-Show Loop-Hole is closed which is completely contrary to logic, anyone would know it produces harm. Anonymous anyones with 0 background known able to purchase large numbers of handguns - many of them sold to young gangs in the ghettos of nearby states, who well may have thorough regulations and checks, but at the moment out-of-state guns appear, their protection for common citizens falls apart. The Feds, FBI, ATF have backward-tracked a good number of these guns after crimes were committed with them. Smack back out of state to the gun shows.
-Bad Guys will not as easily be able to get legal guns, because pre-permit and pre-gun purchase background checks that are intensified will red flag a number.
All of these controls would help a good deal and all are in tune with The SCOTUS Heller Opinion of recent date which specifically allows regulation, in fact, examples the point by naming a number which continue to be legal as all are so long as one does not preclude the possibility to possess a working firearm. (The HELLER OPINION is now for legal purposes, The Second A.)
December 19th, 2012 10:28 PM
Wow. I'm amazed, no, deeply saddened that some have little to no understanding of their birthright as Americans and would so willingly give up their freedom for convenience.
December 19th, 2012 10:37 PM
And how is this going to stop criminals who get their guns illegally from getting their guns while causing me extra inconvenience?
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