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    Sent this to NRA a few days ago . . .

    I sent this to someone I know at NRA (by email and snail mail) right after the Connecticut murders. I hope it got through to the right people:

    I write to you today as one of the founders of NRA’s action shooting championship, the Bianchi Cup. I do so to offer a constructive suggestion in light of the recent mass shootings, and because there is a narrow window to take advantage of it.

    I live in Australia, and because of it I am surrounded, not by like minded people, but by a people who willingly gave up their right to bear arms in the 90s. So they don’t much like America and its guns. BUT – what resonates with them (I work in retail and speak with thousands of Australians) is that the genesis of this kind of senseless violence is not guns, but violent films and violent video gaming, where the often-young players are rewarded for mindless killing.

    And just such a violent film is about to be released that features just such a mass shooting by a single stranger as its opening scenes: Tom Cruise’s latest film “Jack Reacher”. So, with this window of opportunity, may I suggest:

    1. Now is the time for NRA to make the connection, between the abuses of the 1st Amendment that have transformed a generation of young people into sociopaths, and these mass shootings. This will resonate with reasonable Americans.

    2. Then, when (not if) the Feinsteins of Congress want to abridge the 2nd Amendment, NRA can make the connection with the attitude, “quid pro quo – then how do you propose to abridge BOTH these Amendments”. As a Democrat, she can’t do both.

    3. Ask the gun makers to adopt the policy that Apple uses: their products are only used by positive characters in film and television (example: The Campaign), never by negative ones.

    Best wishes, I know this is a difficult time for the lost, and for NRA, and for America. Please come out fighting, our Founders would have wanted it that way.


    For those of you who may have seen the IMDB entry on the Reacher movie (I've been reading the books myself for several years), the "expert sniper" misdirects. In fact, the book (and I expect the movie) begins with what appears to be a stranger shooting 5 strangers at random, and that's what the city believes. Not different from the Connecticut shooting. That the storyline has several twists in the shooter and the motive, does not take away from the message that strangers kill randomly and in public places.

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    Blaming the 1st Amendment is just as ridiculous as blaming the 2nd. There have been violent movies, and before that, violent plays and other performances, since forever. Call of Duty does not make someone into a killer, and trying to deflect attacks on our gun rights by going after others' free speech deprives us of any semblance of moral high ground. I'm sick and tired of seeing this line of response. The basic fact is that this country is safer than it's been in decades. When our violent crime and murder rate peaked, Doom hadn't even been released yet. Just as we demand the anti-gunners think rationally, so must we.

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    Have only guns be used in a positive light? Ya got to be kidding me. Trying to connect the 1A and 2A? I don't see the connection. How is the 1st A being abused by violent movies? The 1st A would be abused if the government tried to do anything about it.

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    The sinful nature of man can NOT be legislated.
    When will we get it?

    Laws are retroactive..NOT pro-active!

    Rights are (PRO-ACTIVE)
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    Blaming video games and movies is just as ridiculous as blaming the gun itself. I have played violent video games and watched tons of violent movies and know 100% reality from fiction. Mental health is what needs to be questioned right now. Not blaming everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClutchSR9C View Post
    Blaming video games and movies is just as ridiculous as blaming the gun itself. I have played violent video games and watched tons of violent movies and know 100% reality from fiction. Mental health is what needs to be questioned right now. Not blaming everything else.
    No it is not ridiculous to make the connection, in fact it's bloody obvious. And in hindsight, there is evidence that the shooter was an avid gamer, not an avid gun person.

    As for the 1st Amendment, of course it would be wrong to remove its original intent. But though we can argue that the founders could have imagined self-loading arms - this is the generation that imagined electricity - we can't argue that they imagined the Internet and the abuses of the 1st amendment it has spawned.

    If there really was no one on this forum, or in the gun community, who made these connections before, then I did the right thing be sending my letters. The idea of looking forward to the Christmas weekend release of Jack Reacher is repulsive given what we know of it, and what's happened. Remember there are many Reacher books; they made an unfortunate choice with One Shot.

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    Again you are over looking his mental health.
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    Perhaps someone passed along my email to the right person:

    "LaPierre also pointed the finger at violence in video games and films as contributing to mass killings.

    He said violence would not be prevented by more gun laws, noting the 'genuine monsters' set on committing crimes at any cost.

    'Isn't fantasising about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?' he said, naming several violent video games, including one called Kindergarten Killers.

    'In a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate and offend every standard of civilised society by bringing an even more toxic mix of reckless behaviour and criminal cruelty right into our homes every minute, every day, every hour of every single year.' "


    A wiser man than I said that, "intelligence is the ability to make connections", and it looks like the connection has been made here.

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    I fall in the middle on this argument. I have played the violent games, I watch violent movies. Heck I joined the Marine Corps to do violent things and that was at least in part due to a violent movie (my dad took me to see Full Metal Jacket when I was a kid. I said I was joining the Marines that day and ended up doing it.) Clearly I don't think the games or movies had any negative impact on me. But, to someone that has severe psychological problems it may be more difficult to move between the "fantasy" world of first person shooters and violent movies and reality. I am not saying that the nutjob killed 20 innocent kids because he played video games. He did it because he was out of his mind. But I'm not willing to say that playing the violent games didn't plant the seed in his head. It may well have done just that.
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    You make some good points. I have played violent games and seen movies and I don't really feel affected but some people cannot turn it off (mental illness) and realize it's not real. When the 2nd amendment is attacked that is a fair argument to at least get the blame off of the gun.

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    "He did it because he was out of his mind. But I'm not willing to say that playing the violent games didn't plant the seed in his head. It may well have done just that."

    And the connection is made. Thank you for sharing your hard-won experience.

    The locals here have difficulty making the connection between cause, and effect. But, they do grasp that they played with toy guns as children and didn't become murderers.

    As a related example of cause and effect, I work for a retailer that's having an uptick in forklift accidents, one that's been rising for several years. They say the don't know why. But they have noticed that if a person in the area of the forklift is inside the 3 metre exclusion zone, and something falls from the forklift, there's an injury. But now they're thinking that's the CAUSE of the injury; when in fact the CAUSE of the injury is operator error. So they don't quite know what more to do, because extensive retraining of the operators and their trainers has only increased the injury rate.

    But, like guns, forklifts are necessary, so banning forklifts won't be their solution. Though that would eliminate those particular injuries, the organisation can't function without forklifts.

    And I see that the premiere of 'Jack Reacher' has been delayed/cancelled. They've done one-half of the right thing. Meanwhile, Hollywood is still in denial about their role in creating these monsters:

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/201...ng-gun-control

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    Sent this to NRA a few days ago . . .

    They watch all the same movies in Australia, Canada, etc. You're going to have to come up with something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishmael View Post
    They watch all the same movies in Australia, Canada, etc. You're going to have to come up with something else.
    You need to brush up on your recent history: Australia banned nearly all of its guns after a mass shooting here, in the late 1990s, and what are left must be kept under lock and key at the range; and Canada has had its own mass shootings. So, in fact, not only do I not have to come up with something else, your view only buttresses my point.

    As has Mr. La Pierre of NRA, who as far as I can see is the only bloke you know who is going to help you keep your guns.
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    Sent this to NRA a few days ago . . .

    These movies and video games would not be produced if they weren't popular. Glock, sig, S&W, Ruger and the like would be out of business if their products were not popular. Yet the vast majority of those who consume violent media do not commit violent crimes, just as the vast majority of firearms consumers are not murderers. Your argument is hypocritical, at best, and outrageously irresponsible at worst.

    You are partaking in the same oversimplification fallacy that the anti-gun nuts are wallowing in, when in fact, there is no simple explanation for this tragedy. The Navy uses an analogy when discussing the causes of mishaps. They call it the Swiss cheese model. If you stack Swiss cheese slices on top of each other, the holes could line up just right so that something falls through and a mishap occurs. In this case, lots of holes lined up: this kid's parents' divorce was tough on him, he had Aspergers syndrome which limited his ability to effectively communicate his emotional distress, he was isolated, he had a lot of anger that he was ill-equipped to deal with, his mother was most likely preoccupied, his father was not in his life, he was not in school, and he had access to firearms. Any of those--and certainly more--holes could have been plugged to prevent this atrocity.

    For you to try and oversimplify it by blaming movies and video games is intellectually dishonest, and only serves to lower you to the level of the sheep making the argument you are trying to counter. By yours and their logic, I should be a mass murderer since I watch violent movies, play violent video games and own semi-automatic weapons.
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    I must agree that there is more to the problem than the "evil" gun. Banning guns and/or magazines is not the answer. There is much more to it than that. and movies and video games could, I suppose, push someone over the edge who is already unstable. But people who want to kill will find a way!

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