December 22nd, 2012 03:06 AM
USA DOJ announces that NRA members are Anti-American/Domestic Terrorists?
This is an honest question. I'm just pointing out something that would have not of even been asked before Nov 4, 2008.
I've deleted a lot of supporting arguments and links -deleted about 90% of the origional size of this post to just 'tone it down' to the question to keep this politically neutral - so that I can still ask for opinions on the basic queston of the title of this Post.
The current 'discussion mold' is set, in the near term, for the Media, and certain self serving politicians to push a full-in push to make sure the adoption of additional 'bad laws' against YOU and I, the legal and lawful firearm owner, to make us nothing more than subjects of a 3d world place where we will never be able to protect ourselves gain, against what Founding Fathers specifically implied and wrote into the your 2A Rights.
Nobody mentions Mexico, which has the most stringent anti-citizen ownership of any firearm laws = life in prison,, but,, has the most insane murder rate of 2nd world countries, that at least gets somewhat reported. Forget Fast and Furious as that will not get reported.
So, now that you are a Red White and Blue ‘card carrying member of the NRA’........ Are you planning on what will happen when the current US DOJ might just announce that you are really Anti-American and possibly, a Domestic Terrorist Organization? And the National Media reports that, and you have one of those NRA stickers on your sub-conpact or SUV?
One request - please do not mention specific Political Parties or Specific Politicians so that this thread may remain as Politically Neutral as possible.
This is about answering the question............... NRA = Domestic Terrorist Organization (Y/N, or why either).[/B]
Last edited by ANGLICO; December 22nd, 2012 at 04:45 AM.
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December 22nd, 2012 03:15 AM
The DOJ won't name the NRA as anti-American or as a Domestic Terrorist organization simply because it is too large. A lot of Americans don't pay a lot of attention to what is going on around them. Of the 4+ million NRA members you can probably assume half don't pay a lick of attention to what's really going on or are the Fudd hunter types that agree that we don't need to own high capacity magazines and/or assault rifles. But if the government jumps out and says they're a member of a terrorist organization those people may suddenly become very motivated to dislike the DOJ and the executive branch as a whole.
The may drop some hints. They may even come out and say the GOA, NAGR, and JPFO are terrorist groups, but they'll have to pretend to accept the NRA and openly disagree with them and paint them as misguided and uncaring.
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December 22nd, 2012 03:35 AM
I agree with your response. Especially that a large segment of the NRA are just not that well active, informed, or overly concerned on what might just screw them for the 2A rights that they joined the NRA for.
Orrrrrrr... The NRA has too much $$$$ in play.......... (gots to line those pockets on both sides of the isle).
Thanks. I appreciate your response!
But, they, the current Media would love to! You have to admit that the DOJ would just love to slam................. Just sain...
How do we change this. How do we get the NRA to drive home that now is the most important time for every member to stand solid?
December 22nd, 2012 04:22 AM
Sadly we are in the "new and improved" America and one thing that brought is people not standing together. It come as no surprise that NRA members could be tagged that. Can you say Senator Joseph McCarthy commie chaser and J Edgar Hoover. The federal government is the biggest violators of the 2nd amendment.
For those that don't know of or have forgotten about Senator McCarthy
Joseph McCarthy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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--Thomas B. Reed, American Attorney
Second Amendment -- Established December 15, 1791
and slowly eroded ever since What happened to "..... shall not be infringed."
December 22nd, 2012 05:29 AM
I don't see it ever happening,there are not only former but current members of the Armed Forces that are life members,Many LEO's and State and Federal Legislators,the DOJ even suggests that we are terrorists,and that is what they would imply the Attorney General would be forced to resign amid the backlash.OMOYMMV
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
December 22nd, 2012 06:15 AM
I don't share your confidence. DHS has already pegged vets as a terror threat. While I can't honestly see them going the route of labelling the NRA a terrorist organization, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if membership is viewed as a "threat".
Originally Posted by dukalmighty
Napolitano stands by controversial report - Washington Times
December 22nd, 2012 06:27 AM
Sign the petition.... The link takes you to the Whitehouse.gov site... This petition is to Halt any legislation targeted at the 2nd Amendment
December 22nd, 2012 06:37 AM
I don't know who wrote that petition but if you want something to be heard and taken seriously the proper use of grammer is a good idea. The petition sounds like a poorly written post on a forum.
Originally Posted by Magnus
Also, statements like this detract readers away from what you want to accomplish. Finger pointing is not another good way of getting the attention of the person you want..especially if he is the one you are blaming in the petition:
BTW: President Obama did address firearms during one of the debates and he did say that most of the problems occur with handguns.
FBI data shows most murders are done with handguns which Obama fails to mention plague in his home town Chicago with the Strictest Gun Laws.
Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”
And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”
December 22nd, 2012 06:53 AM
I would not be so quick to sell the NRA members short.
Especially that a large segment of the NRA are just not that well active, informed, or overly concerned
I'm guessing even (non-members) now have a heightened sense of urgency.
This is one that always gets to me.
The federal government is the biggest violators of the 2nd amendment.
I always thought the (Federal Government) was "we the people"
"When those who are governed do too little, those who govern can, and will, do too much." Ronald Reagan
Do what you can; then do what you must
December 22nd, 2012 07:22 AM
Reading the petition, the use of proper grammer is limited to the amount of information the site allows (ie: Number of Characters) IF finger pointing is not a good way then I must reflect on how Obama Blames everyone for everything. He Has done it in both his first election and then this one. He succeeded. He didnt run on his record nor did he change his tune, we are all aware of this. The anti gun left has blamed Guns for everything and they gain ground all the time. They have never taken a platform that remotely investigated the causes... only that guns are to blame......I think it's a matter of spine and speaking up as what is key and letting it be known how you feel. Not to mention how This administration and others have been siding with the UN in many aspects and gun control is a primary target. Finger pointing... Yes.
I wrote that Petition.... I was limited on the amount as I said of inforamation I was allowed to use...... I sacrificed the grammer for content.
Yes Obama has mentioned handguns however he did not and has not addressed it as I did as "Plague" Which it is in his home town is with the strictest guns laws in the nation, of course he cannot allow that to shadow his Halo. Forgive me for taking this a tad personally President Obama Is the one taking action and he waited till he has an excuse and his second term where he can to the most damage with impunity. It is a misfortune that Newtown happened but most of America are not educated on the tower of other facts. They make choices based on emotion not knowledge.
December 22nd, 2012 07:34 AM
If anything, the current push to demonize law abiding gun owners/citizen's has awakened a sleeping Giant. Americans are joining
the NRA in record numbers.
The media is going to bombard the airwaves with their anti-gun lies and bullying towards us law abiding gun owners and nows not
the time to coward and peel off our NRA stickers off our vehicles!
Hitler said if you tell a lie enough times the people will believe it. This is what those in power are doing to us and they are Experts
We must arm ourselves with the truth and educate those that have been dumb downed by all those lies they have been told.
December 22nd, 2012 07:37 AM
"We the people" are not the government. If we the people were the government: 1. You'd most likely have mob rule. 2. We are still a representative republic. However, the largest group represented happens to be the socialist/communist element of our population.
Originally Posted by RightsEroding
As to the OP's statement about the USDOJ, isn't that still run with Eric Holder at the helm? Nuff said.
We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists. -
December 22nd, 2012 08:08 AM
Yes, the DOJ = domestic terrorist organization. Politically-neutral enough?
The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.
December 22nd, 2012 09:31 AM
I put absolutely nothing past our government. The covert illegal actions they undertake are shameful (i.e. Fast and Furious).
Consider this. There have been 2 mass murders committed by 20 something year olds this year. In both cases, the fathers of Adam Lanza and James Holmes are both scheduled to testify in the $88 Billion Libor Scandal trial. Coincidence??? I don't know what the connection is, or why, but when it comes to exposing huge financial fraud regarding manipultion of world interest rates I can't imagine why the US government could possibly want to intimidate witnesses (<--- sarcasm).
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No Guns, No Safety, No Peace.
Guns are like sex and air...its no big deal until YOU can't get any.
December 22nd, 2012 09:34 AM
You mean grammar, right? Sorry... the irony was too juicy to pass up.
Originally Posted by suntzu
I have a very strict gun control policy: if there's a gun around, I want to be in control of it.
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