December 24th, 2012 08:30 PM
I do not foresee confiscations, but I think an ex. order to ban some type of guns and magazines has already been written. He is just waiting till after the holidays to spring it on us. It will become "law" immediately. I sure do hope I am wrong.
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December 24th, 2012 08:51 PM
you are wrong.
Originally Posted by oldnfat
No President has that kind of power.
It would be quikcly deemed unConstitutional.
December 24th, 2012 09:00 PM
And where are all those "Obama hasn't messed with my gun rights" posters now. I have said he would wait till after his "last election when he'll have more flexibility" I just expected him to wait till after the "coronation" to do anything; never let a good crises go to waste!!
Originally Posted by soonershoote
December 24th, 2012 09:01 PM
Yep..... just like the tax for not buying health insurance.
Originally Posted by Pythius
December 24th, 2012 09:03 PM
that's not evidence for your claim.
Originally Posted by F350
got any examples of a POTUS enacting NEW laws by executive order?
December 24th, 2012 10:05 PM
The only thing I can guarantee is that any federal confiscation of my guns will be posthumous.
Originally Posted by Pythius
December 25th, 2012 12:25 AM
I will give them all my guns after I first give them all my bullets.
Originally Posted by luvmy40
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We, the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.
December 25th, 2012 12:29 AM
Re: Exec Order
Heh, that's a clever turn of phrase :-) .
Originally Posted by chuckusaret
December 25th, 2012 12:41 AM
Re: Exec Order
He can pass all the bogus laws he wants. Doesn't mean he's going to get all the guns turned in.
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December 25th, 2012 12:47 AM
I hope your right.
Originally Posted by retsupt99
I would rather die on my feet, than to live on my knees.
December 25th, 2012 06:33 AM
Some of you need to re-take your high school civics class.
2 ways a Presidential EO can be overturned.
1: 2/3 majority vote by both the house and senate. [290 votes in the house, 67 votes in the senate].
2: SCOTUS ruling.
The president can not write laws, only recommend or suggest. He has cronies do that work for him. Any law that gets made ultimately has the meddling of 535 career politicians behind it in some fashion ~ at least that is how it is supposed to work, In truth we have a problem with corruption and "I don't give a crap, I'm just here to draw my pay, collect my tips from special interest groups [Votes for sale] and get that lifetime retirement and benefit package".
Now, in the possible event that the high chair does EO something along the lines of this discussion, ALL GUN OWNERS need to be writing ALL LEGISLATORS, not just the ones from their state, telling them NO - do not let this Constitution and Bill of Rights trampling go on. For the love of the gods, if you can't do it logically, civilly, and refrain from making threats, then stay out of it, because you will do more harm than good right now.
All the comments of, "From my cold dead hands, Try it, I dare ya', Bullets first, Etc...", I appreciate and share your passion, but save it for later if needed. Right now that just tells them we are gun toting nut jobs and reinforces their desire to pass such legislation, and likely places you at the top of the list for the knock at the door, giving them their example to the nation proving their point.
When in reality you only had 3 firearms and less than 1k rounds of ammunition, plus a few fireworks. There may or may not have been an exchange of gunfire, but the information given to the media will reflect whatever they want. Far fetched? Maybe, but how many times has the Govt fed disinformation to the media? It took a while but the FBI did eventually get a bloody nose over Waco. The CIA, FBI, and other acronym agencies got theirs over 9/11. The ATF got theirs in Fast and Furious.
HEADLINE: Extremist barricades self in home and engages in firefight with authorities. 50 illegal firearms and over 40k rounds of ammunition and explosive devices found inside home. 3 officers killed, 5 wounded in the firefight that were just doing their job.
Both parties right now are loaded with their batpoo crazy extremists, and both are doing their best to technically kill the other party. This might be the beginning to the political reset button - which we definitely need. Format and restore to last known good operating system. Get rid of this government "Vista" and go back to XP Pro.
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December 25th, 2012 10:30 AM
I see a huge amount of hysteria in many posts here and sadly that hysteria comes from poor, poor, and very poor,
Originally Posted by Sticks
understanding of how our government works.
1) Please note that a president can not write laws. Sticks got that part correct.
2) He can direct a Department or an Agency to write rules or regulations on some issue, but those regulations must (national security and a few other items excluded) be published in The Federal Register, a comment period for public comment must be
given, the Agency must study the public comments and publish responses in The Federal Register and Publish the final
rules in The Federal Register before they can take effect. Usually, these things take years to percolate.
3) All EOs and all rules and regulations, must be consistent with existing law. One reason it takes forever to get final rules
published is because once they are announced a bazillion special interest group lawyers pour over them looking for
inconsistencies with existing law or constitution; and file suit to block things.
The bottom line here is that except for command of the military and conduct of foreign policy, a president is about as
far from being able to be a dictator as one might get; they are lucky if they can order anything much at all besides their lunch.
4) Congress can overturn any regulation with the creation of a law. That takes a simple majority. Yes, a president might veto
a new law, and then the numbers Sticks posted would be required, but in the ordinary course of events a plain old law
will suffice to undo an Agency rule or regulation. Typically, the judges throw the monkey wrench into the workings long
before Congress even knows there is something to be dealt with.
If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
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