Handguns, Handguns, Handguns!!

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    Is it just me or was the peak of murder rate with handguns during a clinton term??? Maybe I'm seeing things!

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    Thanks for posting those stats, it makes sense when you think about it. A bad guy or criminal will use what ever weapon is readily available and accessible to them. Gun, knife, pipe or hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Cigarettes are the real killers, with over 400,000 American victims each year.
    were those murders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    were those murders?
    Suicides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Suicides.
    its illogical and silly to compare suicides to intentional murders.

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    I COULD be wrong-but is the OP in this thread actually Piers Morgan?
    msgt/ret and oneshot like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8th ID View Post
    I COULD be wrong-but is the OP in this thread actually Piers Morgan?
    oh, isn't that just adorable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    its illogical and silly to compare suicides to intentional murders.
    Suicides are intentional murders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Suicides are intentional murders.
    no, they are not.

    someone who tries & fails to commit suicide isn't charged with attempted-murder.

    but thanks for the additional silly red-herring.

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    Pythius, seriously. This nonsense about how calling out the gun controllers for wanting little more than control is "silly and illogical", the arguments about how handguns are to blame, the denigrating of those who point out anything else that kills people other than guns...you need to get a clue here. I don't want to be rude to you, but this is the same nonsense line the anti-gunners use against us. Those who are killed by cigarettes, car accidents, drownings, wrong medicine...whatever it is, they are no less dead than those who were shot. The notion that our politicians need to focus on handguns and not rifles is also a load of crap. Handguns defend far more people than they murder each year, and quite frankly, the Constitution grants no authority to said politicians to regulate them anyway. I don't see what point you think you're making with this nonsense, but you aren't doing anyone who wishes to stop these gun control arguments any favors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    no, they are not.

    someone who tries & fails to commit suicide isn't charged with attempted-murder.

    but thanks for the additional silly red-herring.
    Now you are just arguing for the sake of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peckman28 View Post
    Pythius, seriously. This nonsense about how calling out the gun controllers for wanting little more than control is "silly and illogical", the arguments about how handguns are to blame, the denigrating of those who point out anything else that kills people other than guns...you need to get a clue here. I don't want to be rude to you, but this is the same nonsense line the anti-gunners use against us. Those who are killed by cigarettes, car accidents, drownings, wrong medicine...whatever it is, they are no less dead than those who were shot. The notion that our politicians need to focus on handguns and not rifles is also a load of crap. Handguns defend far more people than they murder each year, and quite frankly, the Constitution grants no authority to said politicians to regulate them anyway. I don't see what point you think you're making with this nonsense, but you aren't doing anyone who wishes to stop these gun control arguments any favors.
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    Re: Handguns, Handguns, Handguns!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stan6406 View Post
    Its not the murder rate for handguns they get on the soapbox for its that's a lot of the rifles hold a lot more ammo and can cause a lot more damage in a short period of time. Research those stats and post the numbers for multiple kill by one person at one time . I'm betting dollars to donuts handguns are far behind rifles for mass shootings.
    If so, VA Tech was an exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Now you are just arguing for the sake of it.
    no, I am simply acknowledging the logical fallacy in comparing suicides, automobile accident deaths, acciddental drownings, and death by cardiac arrest...to intentional murders commit with handguns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    60% of murders in the USA are committed with handguns.

    2% with rifles.

    2% with shotguns.

    Clearly, the statistics show where the focus should be with regards to gun laws.
    And yet, for some odd reason, the focus is on rifles.

    Sure, its because of the mass-shootings. But are we truly that blind to the daily killings in our communities?

    Rifles & shotguns....are NOT the problem!!! So why the focus on them????

    Why isn't the NRA and other gun groups driving these statistics through the skulls of legislators who want more gun laws?

    Seems soooo basic. Sooo simple. And yet nobody seems to get it.

    Ugg...
    I think I get it. You would like the government to focus on handgun control. If that isn't your point then frankly your post makes no sense.
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