This is a discussion on Gun ban update: Michael Bane claims to have 'inside source' on legislation within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Sticks Reeeeeeeallly? Better start grasping the unthinkable. This is one serious situation that we all need to be thinking worst case scenario. ...
Remember the words of 0bama shortly after the CT atrocity...when he said something to the effect of "if we can save one child, then it is worth trying..."
Emotions, my friends...their currency in this current battle is emotions...
How do we argue again the children, when our population is showing a rapid decline in civic knowledge, and emotionalism is the rage...
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Just look at how the smokers rights have been eroded over the past 30 years. Imagine if you went back in time and told people that the govt was going to make it illegal to smoke in indoor public places, on the beach, on sidewalks near buildings, and now they are working on making it illegal in homes with children. That would have seemed crazy when a majority of Americans smoked, but they did it slowly and methodically, even though there is little to no science that second hand smoke is dangerous.
Learn from history.
The weapons ban of 1994 (?) had no measurable effect on gun crimes, why would one now be more effective. Also, with the number of legal and illegal guns presently on the street a new ban, IMO, would have little or no effect in our lifetime. If there aren't any guns, there are other legal weapons to be used, such as used in the Stone Age . Do we not have any elected officials that have common sense, I know most are brainless....
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You expect the far left to have the anti gun position......... Unfortunately...... I am hearing from some VERY conservative folks that say the same thing..........
Again..... Unfortunately, i think we will be stuck with 10 rounds or less magazines, with possession after a certain date a felony, along with no FTF sales..........
If grandma from Texas cant be convinced...... We have some troubles......
I ve been trying to politely disagree with these folks, but without much success.
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I didn't look this up yet, but the awb in 1994 passed by under 10 votes, maybe it was closer to 6. And that was with many more dems than in the current congress. Given the current makeup, I don't think the AWB has a chance of passing.
10 round limits though I think will happen, as will needing certification from a medical professional that you are not mentally ill prior to getting a permit. And probably registration at gun shows for purchases. That is the compromise legislation that will get passed IMHO.
I'm working on some letters to my government reps in my area and would like to see any examples of letters that anyone else has sent. I just want to make sure I hit all of the talking points with valid well thought out arguments against gun control. So what do you think anybody want to post up a sample letter?
Here is a video with Eric Holder stating that we need to make our children think guns are uncool in the same way we have changed how they think about cigarettes:
1995 - AG Eric Holder: We Must 'Brainnwash' People on Guns - YouTube
A quick google search turned up this article on banning guns incrementally in order to keep the public from being outraged, and it also states that "We must make guns expensive and unpopular, just like cigarettes."
Daily Kos: How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process
This is the playbook. They don't think the bill of rights applies anymore, not when they have 'the greater good' on their side. Just look at what is happening to our 4th and 5th amendments over the last two decades.
Obama Signs the NDAA. Goodbye 4th Amendment
Scandal Alert: Congress Is Quietly Abandoning the 5th Amendment - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic
I'm not saying that they won't try it and won't necessarily win some battles along the way. I'm saying that there is at least one sizeable roadblock in place called The Bill of Rights that wasn't part of the anti smoking battle. Your argument about incrementalism is not something I dismiss out of hand, but I'm saying this is a much tougher battle for the anti's that they will still wage. The fact that it will be more difficult for their side certainly doesn't mean they won't push for it, or that we sit back and take it, hoping The Bill of Rights does the heavy lifting for our side.
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" aahhhh so what, I don't need a 30 rnd mag or a 16 round pistol mag , or a semi auto,,,,,,,
As long as its not their OX being gored, they will not care enough to see the forest for the trees, and that incrementally this is how the rights/privleges/freedoms are eroded.
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He is just using this as a reference point as most people can identify with how smoking bans evolved, a point that I was stressing 15-20 years ago to people.
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This is the key statement in the whole thing. We must join as one or go down as many. Period. End of story. This is what has been happening in all areas of our nation for the last several years. The great divider has done just that. He has divided people that would have otherwise come together for the greater cause. He has them fighting among one another over stupid details. In the end we all lose big and they win.
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