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Our Rights: When Do We Say "ENOUGH"?

This is a discussion on Our Rights: When Do We Say "ENOUGH"? within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Hopyard Being far far far over 50 there is a lot I don't like as compared to the way things were in ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Being far far far over 50 there is a lot I don't like as compared to the way things were in my youth, but I also know
    a country of 315+ million people has a slightly different set of problems than the country I was born into with well less than half the population. What works in rural areas doesn't work so well in suburban areas, and may be totally bad in urban areas, and the other way around. And that applies to lots of things besides gun laws.


    The quote from Jefferson needs some background information before it is so widely and wildly used as a form of guidance.
    It came within a context, and was a reference to his views on the horrific and catastrophic French revolution which he thought (as did many Americans) of the day, a good thing. It turned out horrendously bad with 10s of thousands of Priests and ordinary citizens ruthlessly murdered and ended with a new dictatorship that surpassed the monarchy in brutality and ruthlessness. It was not a good thing.

    Jefferson's remark was not a remark intended to pertain to the US.

    I could go on but you get the point I hope.
    I appreciate the history Hopyard... so many things are taken out of context... whether it's the Bible, the Koran, the Gita... Or our founding fathers... We have become a nation of "sound bites" it doesn't matter the context...

    "Let them eat cake." What kid don't wanna piece of cake? Context matters.
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    I basically dont lean on quotes but on the wording of 2a. What the words shall not be infringed mean is obvious on its face as telling a child, Congress in the case, dont touch that. Of course kids being kids and Congress being congress that means it just has to be touched or they will bust from the inside out.
    There are enough laws on the books now concerning everything from guns to cow farts that even the law makers themselves cant keep track of them or enforce them.
    That anyone thinks after a couple of hundred years of making laws there arent enough already and its time to stop making new ones, get rid of the host of bad ones that have been enacted and let the Federal Government mind its own limited business is beyond my limited intelligence.

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    On April 19th......Capt. Parker said he had enough and look where it brought us today.......

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    To truly effect change in our government, we have to change those who govern. The only way to do that is during the primaries. Vote your beliefs, vote your party, but you need to vote-out the incumbent. I know that you may feel that your representative is doing a fine job. However, the only way to change the direction of our government is to change who's governing at all levels of the legislative branch. Imagine the political panic if every Congressman & Senator up for reelection in 2014 is replaced by someone of the same party.

    That is the only way to get a politician's attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xXxplosive View Post
    On April 19th......Col. Parker said he had enough and look where it brought us today.......
    Colonel Parker was Elvis Presley's first manager....

    Captain Parker was at the Battle of Lexington
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    The question of the OP is interesting, "When do we say enough?". This immediately brings to my mind two questions. WE is not going to happen. The question is "When do I say enough?" We each have to answer that for ourselves. And what do I do after I say "Enough!"? Break out the guns and hunt anti 2A folks? Train my 68 year old body to do what it did 40 years ago? I already vote responsibly, pray earnestly, and encourage the family and my friends to be pro 2A. Other than that, I don't know what to do. If they try to take the guns, I may hide a few, but to what ends I can't imagine. I'm going to re-join the NRA after Jan 1 and donate a little to the Second Amendment Foundation but more than that I don't have a clue.

    The other question I have is who defines "Enough"? I don't know what that point is for myself no less deciding for anyone else. No, I doubt any group will agree on what point "enough" is reached and then agree on what to do about it. A dynamic, respected, and charismatic leader might bring folks together but I don't see one on the horizon.

    Thanks for the question OP, it makes one think.

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    Correct...............Capt. Parker........I stand corrected.

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    It's over. Its just that most of us that are hanging on to a thread dont realize it yet.

    The socialists have won and they have done it without firing a shot. Look at Congress and start looking at the criminal statisics on them alone. Look at the what we have in the present administration. The foxes are guarding the hen house and there aint a danged thing we can do about it except like it.

    Sure there are a lot of good people in this country, with good work ethics, but fact of the matter is, everyone is swimming uphill. They have to fight the government to keep their heads above water,when they would be better served if the goverment just stood out of the way and left them alone.

    How long can we last? That depends on the ratio of good people to thugs and thugs are increasing at an alarming rate. Some of them are in government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    It's over. Its just that most of us that are hanging on to a thread dont realize it yet.

    The socialists have won and they have done it without firing a shot. Look at Congress and start looking at the criminal statisics on them alone. Look at the what we have in the present administration. The foxes are guarding the hen house and there aint a danged thing we can do about it except like it.

    Sure there are a lot of good people in this country, with good work ethics, but fact of the matter is, everyone is swimming uphill. They have to fight the government to keep their heads above water,when they would be better served if the goverment just stood out of the way and left them alone.

    How long can we last? That depends on the ratio of good people to thugs and thugs are increasing at an alarming rate. Some of them are in government.
    How can we change that?

    No, really.

    How?

    Certainly we must.

    This is (or was) the greatest nation with the greatest generation(s). We have become "also rans." In the big picture, we are mediocre at best... and we are falling... falling... falling... There is no "spark."

    Now, Hopyard will chime in that many people cry the "sky is falling..." but it isn't.. And indeed, we as a nation have a great deal to be proud of... but not as much any more... Glory Days by Springsteen comes to mind... Our past was great, our future... not so much... we need a change in direction. and soon.
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    Press them on the issues.......Benghazi, Fast & Furious, Fiscal Cliff / Spending......and push hard.....they don't like being kept honest and made to fess-up.

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    Political parties are like religious sects; whichever one you belong to, all others are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Political parties are like religious sects; whichever one you belong to, all others are wrong.
    that's why i am registered independent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xXxplosive View Post
    Press them on the issues.......Benghazi, Fast & Furious, Fiscal Cliff / Spending......and push hard.....they don't like being kept honest and made to fess-up.
    The Fast and Furious investigation was put to rest by Obama, Benghazi will become history when Clinton steps down in January 2013 and the Fiscal Cliff will be history when the Debt Ceiling is raised. Press On.
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    Let those you know who are "hunters" and feel they don't have anything in this battle (and my apologies to anyone offended by my borrowing this famous poem)


    "When they came for the semi-automatic rifles, I didn't speak out
    Because I didn't see a need for semi-automatic weapons as I'm a hunter

    When they came for high capacity magazines, I didn't speak out
    Because I don't see a need for high capacity magazines because I'm a hunter

    When they came for bulk ammunition purchases, I didn't speak out
    Because I don't see a need to buy lots of ammo because I'm a hunter

    When they came for all semi-automatic handguns, I didn't speak out
    Because I don't see a need for semi-auto handguns because I'm a hunter

    When they came for concealed carry, I didn't speak out
    Because I don't see a need for concealed carry because I'm a hunter

    When they came for all handguns, I didn't speak out
    Because I don't see a need for handguns because I'm a hunter

    When they came for all remaining firearms, there was no one left to speak out"
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    Cuomo right now is our best friend. He keeps chirping about confiscation. The longer and louder he uses that word the less traction any of this will get. As far as the U.S. has fallen, the great majority of Americans ears perk up at that word about anything.
    Quite a few would be comfortable with gun confiscation but they also begin to wonder if their 2 litter cokes at home might be snatch and grabbed or whatever else is dear to them but not everyone else.
    Prohibition failed miserably with a lot of bloodshed because of it. Banning something that is a constitutional right even the most rabid antigun politician knows will head down that same path if pushed to far.
    Any regulation is unconstitutional but politicians know about how far they can push. Temp assault weapon bans, high cap mag bans they will try maybe even get through for a while. Confiscating guns across this nation would lead to only one thing, resistance and a backlash even Diane Frankenstein, doesn't want.
    She like the other talking heads jumping on this little bandwagon are looking for headlines, pandering to a rabid left wing minority while actually not even planning for a 10th of what they propose to get through congress. There is more pro gun sentiment on the news than anti and any poll you look at swings pro 2a. Its bad but not the end.

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