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Our Rights: When Do We Say "ENOUGH"?

This is a discussion on Our Rights: When Do We Say "ENOUGH"? within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by oakchas Well, since somebody likes it so much I'll say it... "When you get angry enough, grab your rifle and run outside. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    Well, since somebody likes it so much I'll say it...
    "When you get angry enough, grab your rifle and run outside.
    If you're the only one there, it's not time yet!"

    Will it ever be time?
    I doubt it.
    Why?
    Because your neighbor was out on his porch on December 19th, and you weren't on yours.
    You went out on yours the day you heard Feinstein's proposals, but he wasn't out there.
    He wanted some more gun control. But he is an avid hunter.
    You wanted less gun control, and you don't hunt.

    The issues of late, are divisive issues. Especially as regards gun control. There's a nearly 50/50 split. So half the country is on their stoop, and can't see any neighbors out... and the other half of us are out on ours on a different day.

    Now, there's a whole lot more going on... and more important than gun control. And we, as a nation are as divided on those issues as we are on the gun issue. Bail this one out/don't bail that one... Cut these programs... not those... Raise taxes... don't. Let me borrow some rappelling gear, there's a cliff in our future.. chillax man... no cliff I can see...

    We have begun to define ourselves... and divide ourselves. Red/Blue... Conservative/liberal... Right/left...
    Right/Wrong... Realist/utopian... and the list goes on... and on... and on... and on...

    And there is no moderation or compromise in anything.


    One thing we all are, is Americans. We come in many colors and stripes. Many nationalities and heritages.

    But we have forgotten that..

    All we care about is our rights... our right to guns... our right to live without fear of guns... our rights to our money... our rights to a hand up, a helping hand, a basic survivable life.

    The politicians, frankly, don't know which way to turn... defend this constituent or that?
    And, here's the FAIL:

    THEY

    GIVE

    UP


    And, they start looking out for ONE constituent.... themselves.... they want to get re-elected... that is all they care about. They will do whatever it takes to get re-elected... if it seems that one side can get them re-elected over another... the side with the power gets their vote, literally, in session. The rest is all just talk.

    The only solution I can come up with is to start a new party... the non-incumbent party. Vote them all out... every time... starting in the next cycle, the mid terms. Until the electees get it... they work for us... that's U.S. The UNITED STATES.

    Now, honestly, it's maybe too late for it to work... we've gone too far... We've got some 20 or 40 feet of shelf space taken up by books of Federal regulations that for the most part aren't really constitutional. We've got the same in our state houses. We've got tax codes that weigh 40 pounds of paper...

    We've got a budget that is too long to read in a month of reading. And, every time a budget passes, there's some little kicker that has NOTHING to do with a Budget. Do you remember what was included in one of the last budgets? Carrying guns in National Parks.... nothing to do with budgets....


    Now what?


    Wait for it....


    How about, if in this budget, there's a little add on.... you know, "we'll let this pass, if you just include this one little thing.... And we can avoid the fiscal cliff.... wouldn't that be best for everyone?"

    And that add on, this time... will it be an AWB?


    Hmmmmmm? I wonder.
    While not quite agreeing with everything above, I think it is about one of the best posts I have seen here in years. Great analysis of where we are as a country.
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    There is a way to fix this country.

    First, start holding our elected Public Officials accountable for their actions.

    We can start be doing away with "executive privledge".

    If they fail to answer questions, if they drag their feet, if they refuse to participate and act as they should, remove them from office.

    Require them to take an oath of allegiance to the U.S. Constitution. If they fail in that oath, if they put the needs of any entity or country above that of their own....remove them from office. Seize their all assets, all personal belongings and hold them in jail until a public trial takes place.

    Bring back public hangings...so that those so inclined to run for office understand that they are accountable.
    When we start hanging those that are selling us out...eventually we'll run out of traitors. There may not be many left, but if we dont do it soon it'll be too late...if it isnt already.

    In the mean time, stockpile food, guns and ammo.Have a good supply of new rope. Resist any efforts of registration, gun control, or whatever they are calling it, because it only serves on pupose....to confiscate.

    Put the names of those that are pushing ideas like that on a list and remember who they are.

    Be ready and waiting and above all be aware. Sleep with one eye open.

    We've been sold out and its just a matter of time until it all comes to a screeching halt.

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    I feel we lost it when we started voting for politions, not for the job they will do but, which one's will do the least amount of damage. That's enough for me. What do you do? We obviously cant stand up anymore. If you have an opinion your labeled as a racist, fear monger or killer of babies. The special interest groups need to go. The direction of this Nation is disheartening to me. The political system seams to have more self interest than for the people. They dont act if they think it will affect their election results. Legal system is by lawers for lawyers. What ever happend to the hand shake and the spoken word. I'm old enough to say "I remember when"
    I say make them all subject to term limits for a start.
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    Just to help get it all in perspective: When I was 32 I worked with an "old man" of about 55; see when you are that young anyone a decade or more older seems old. This crusty old dude had survived on the streets of San Antonio as an adolescent during the
    Great Depression. He survived service in Burma during WWII.

    One day I was moaning and groaning about stuff and he turned to me and informed me that he liked things just the way they are now. He told me his life story, of being orphaned, of living on the streets, of military action in Burma. He told me of his struggle
    to get a PhD after he got out of the army; of his adventures raising a family in the 50s and 60s and 70s.

    I got the message. I like things the way they are now just fine. There isn't really such a thing as a glorious past.
    It is easy to moan and groan and miss the trees for the forest.

    "Old Jim" passed on at the age of 75, and though it is now 15 years or more later, I miss his earthy wisdom.

    I like it fine just the way it is.
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    I like it fine just the way it is
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    I don't.

    Whats the definition of progress?

    My grandfather was instrumental in the development of Radar during WW2. So much so, that the Feds came and got him, and sequestered him in a secret underground location for the duration of the war. He had 4 personal body guards assigned to him as did other members of his group. He was a brilliant man and on the cutting edge of technology.

    He too was convinced that at the rate of decay, there would be another civil war. What he told me made sense then and its still the standard that I use today to keep a check on reality. It was a simple thing really. As he put it... "will your children be able to do better in life than you did"? Can they prosper, can they improve the quality of not only their lives but those around them? As long as they can do that, we have hope.

    As I look around and observe, I have asked myself numerous times if my grandchildren will have the same opportunity's as I did growing up and I can honestly say that they will not.
    If they speak their mind about right or wrong, they will be labeled. They will spend a large portion of their paychecks on taxes. They simply will not have the opportunity's to operate unhindered that I did growing up. Will they have the retirement or the benefits of having a job that I did? That is doubtful. Will they even learn history as I did or will they spend their lives in school being indoctrinated by socialist ideals?

    Sure, technologically we are better off than we ever were...in one aspect. Its made life easier in many ways...but what about our kids? They are growing up soft,and with no morals.They aren't being taught how to think. They do what they are told without any thought in the process. They are basically growing up to be nothing more than cannon fodder.

    Using that simple standard of progress, I can honestly say that we have lost it. It's over. Those that think it isn't aren't paying attention. We are going the way of the Roman Empire, and we are headed there quickly. I hope I am wrong about this and would love to be, but one only has to look at our "leadership" to come to a logical conclusion.
    I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.


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    The first attempt to demand I turn in my guns/mags or show up at my door to confiscate them, "will be enough".

    You are either a Patriot or a loyalist.
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    Hopyard, you almost bring a sense of romanticism to the struggles of "Old Jim" I enjoyed the post. No wonder Jim liked it just fine. I found it easier back then too. I could go into St Louis zoo and not have to worry about getting mugged or shot. I love to take photos but afraid some one will steal the camera i worked so hard for and they would. When you had a job back then and did good hard work, you kept your job. No one squeezed you out for the sake of profits going to the share holders. People had manners and said thank you. Now most I deal with just want to know what they can get from you. No one helps anyone anymore just for the sake of being good people and neighbors. Don't want to help because your afraid of getting sued. It's been some time since I've fished in the Brazos River but life seamed more simple and carefree. I liked it then too. Maybe it's because I had to grow up. Thanks again. Maybe I should draft a gratitude list and stop watching the news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    It's over. Its just that most of us that are hanging on to a thread dont realize it yet.

    The socialists have won and they have done it without firing a shot.
    Yep. I fear you are correct.

    The U.S need not fear destruction from the outside...we have self destructed from within by way of the so called "progressives."

    So, until that day, I WILL do what I can and then do what I must.

    All the responses to this topic are appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPro.40 View Post
    Now most I deal with just want to know what they can get from you. No one helps anyone anymore just for the sake of being good people and neighbors. Don't want to help because your afraid of getting sued.
    I couldn't resist responding one more....

    Yep..and most kids have their faces stuffed so deep in their phones texting, not face to face the way it should be.
    At dinner the other night I noticed a family of 4; mom, dad, 2 kids. Dad was texting, the kids were texting..and mom was hoping SOMEONE would talk to her.
    By the time they look up from their wonderful tech toys; their rights are gone along with a slew of other things.

    ,,,and they say the guns kill? Please!
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    IMO......what our politicians need to know is........A pat On The back Is Only 15 Inches Away from A Kick In The Ass.
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    Watch this: Agenda: Grinding America Down:

    May not have all the answers, but it will make you wonder what's happened to this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I like it fine just the way it is.
    Yeah that's great, except anyone who has a basic level of economic understanding knows that things are not going to be able to go on if we stay on our current path. Would I rather be here than any other country? I believe I would. Nevertheless, there are more felonies on the books, more "victimless crimes", than ever before in this country. The dollar is at its lowest levels since the Revolution, and our national debt is as high as it was during WWII...the difference being, we don't have the excuse that we are fighting the largest war in human history. Of course, the solution from both sides is to just keep racking it up; the only argument is method and speed. Things just the way they are and things the way they need to be if we want this country to last are two very different things. Gun control is just one little piece of the puzzle on this, and the kind of unconstitutional nonsense that Feinstein and her ilk are pushing with guns is along the same line of thinking as virtually everything else that is coming from DC these days. Things are very much not fine the way they are, and I'm not at all happy about it. Anyone who values their freedom should not be happy about it.

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    Re: Our Rights: When Do We Say "ENOUGH"?

    What is this? Is there some new rule that I have missed on this forum outlawing name calling, childish quips and otherwise malistic rhetoric. :p. Did everybody finally finish their English degree and suddenly discover that dinner is served with two spoons or otherwise mear supper. What happened to the witch hunt?

    Gentlemen,

    Since I am all thumbs I will keep this short. The distribution of wealth is the key to social stability. Without social stability we are merely the slaves of Mars. It was the ancient Greeks who invented Democracy but it was not until the Enlightenment that we were actually able to harness the intellectual ammo that we needed to paint reality from within the minds of men, by the grace of God but not as slaves of God .

    Our leaders will mind their masters. One need not look far in our 21st Century Fascist Democracy to find the corrupt boardroom president who holds the leash. The master has no fear of you or me or We the People.

    I have not the inclination to create the plan but I will joyfully indulge in the lighting of the fire that gives power to We the People. We must assume action to take the leash away from the current crop of self indulgent Masters.

    The first part of the nutshell has already been defined in a previous post, term limits. The Master can not keep his pet forever. I'd like to throw public campaign financing into the mix as a wealth equalizer, not from a delusional understanding of Commie poetry but as a genuine selfless gesture fomented from my Egalitarian soul.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandBob View Post
    There is a way to fix this country.

    First, start holding our elected Public Officials accountable for their actions.

    We can start be doing away with "executive privledge".

    If they fail to answer questions, if they drag their feet, if they refuse to participate and act as they should, remove them from office.

    Require them to take an oath of allegiance to the U.S. Constitution. If they fail in that oath, if they put the needs of any entity or country above that of their own....remove them from office. Seize their all assets, all personal belongings and hold them in jail until a public trial takes place.

    Bring back public hangings...so that those so inclined to run for office understand that they are accountable.
    When we start hanging those that are selling us out...eventually we'll run out of traitors. There may not be many left, but if we dont do it soon it'll be too late...if it isnt already.

    In the mean time, stockpile food, guns and ammo.Have a good supply of new rope. Resist any efforts of registration, gun control, or whatever they are calling it, because it only serves on pupose....to confiscate.

    Put the names of those that are pushing ideas like that on a list and remember who they are.

    Be ready and waiting and above all be aware. Sleep with one eye open.

    We've been sold out and its just a matter of time until it all comes to a screeching halt.
    Great start...we have begun thinking of our elected representatives as royalty...they're not, and must be made to behave like citizens....nothing more. Wasting countless millions jetting hither and yon is unacceptable, just as an example. Feet to the fire....term limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mano3 View Post
    Watch this: Agenda: Grinding America Down:

    May not have all the answers, but it will make you wonder what's happened to this country.
    Great link! Thanks.

    It doesn't make me wonder..it connects the dots very well.
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