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    Peoples vote?

    So why doesnt this gun ban bill go to a peoples vote? Shouldnt something this big be decided by the people?

    -Jason


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    It would be called a referendum.
    Referendums are great when the outcome of an issue can be controlled by local, state or fed intervention.
    Referendums are designed to make the great unwashed "feel" they are in control.

    Not possible with the gun issue as the gov will control this one with a preemptive strike.
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    You are right , it should. But the liberals don't think we are smart enough. They think they know what is best for us and that is all that matters.

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    Your rights are not to be put up for a vote at all. You have no right to vote away the rights of your fellow citizen. If we properly understood natural law we would reject democracy as the great enemy of freedom that it is. Following the theory fully, any law, no matter how unjust, is just fine as long as 51% are convinced. That is supposed to be why we have a Constitution, in writing, in the first place.

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    That is why we live in a Republic. Pure democracy in action gets you Egypt.
    I'd rather be lucky than good any day

    There's nothing that will change someone's moral outlook quicker than cash in large sums.

    Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jab73180 View Post
    So why doesnt this gun ban bill go to a peoples vote? Shouldnt something this big be decided by the people?

    -Jason
    No. That isn't how laws get passed in this country except perhaps in California where they have what I think is
    called "Initiative and Referendum."
    If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
    Andrew Jackson

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    The people's vote took place November 6th. Elections have consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jab73180 View Post
    So why doesnt this gun ban bill go to a peoples vote?
    What gun ban bill? What's its Senate or House number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jab73180 View Post
    So why doesnt this gun ban bill go to a peoples vote? Shouldnt something this big be decided by the people?

    -Jason
    It did go for a vote of the people. And the people voted for Obama.

    And the damage done in the next 4 years will likely be permanent.

    But hey, it's not like they didn't know... They wanted free phones instead of Freedom!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    It did go for a vote of the people. And the people voted for Obama.

    And the damage done in the next 4 years will likely be permanent.

    But hey, it's not like they didn't know... They wanted free phones instead of Freedom!

    As much as I disagree with Obama, any bill MUST pass the Congress BEFORE he can sign it. That's why it is VERY important for us to FLOOD Congress with letters. We KNOW he will sign it, our only hope is for it not to make it to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8th ID View Post
    As much as I disagree with Obama, any bill MUST pass the Congress BEFORE he can sign it. That's why it is VERY important for us to FLOOD Congress with letters. We KNOW he will sign it, our only hope is for it not to make it to him.
    I agree... But Republican's are barely hanging on for control of the House by their fingernails. And since the president has the bully pulpit, he's been doing a pretty good job of demonizing them over the fiscal cliff situation. If the Republicans lose control of the House in the 2014 mid-terms (which is a distinct possibility), then Fienstein's gun ban bill will rammed through both houses, and then we can choke on it.
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    The majority of people who voted, voted for Obama! This begs the question, would any more people actually vote if a gun ban was put to a vote? If not, the gun ban wins. Face it, the majority of voters are liberals, anti-gun, selfish, greedy lazy morons. Our choices are fewer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapnketel View Post
    That is why we live in a Republic. Pure democracy in action gets you Egypt.
    Yep, a Republic prevents the majority from voting away the individual rights of a minority, even if that minority is one.
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    The present administration would never take a chance on having "the people" make a decision.
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    I play golf with many right wing republicans that are also in favor of an AWB. I'm afraid it's not just the Democrats.
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