Obama to go for guns in 2013 'there will be resistance'

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    It only takes so long before We the People, whom have to toil under the thumbs of The Hill, start reacting and interacting, and start to require our State Reps on The Hill and in our own State's Government to step-up and fulfill, the tyranny of the majority. But what we seem to be getting is that of the minority. Time will tell which way this gun derriere all pans out?

    Are some on The Hill on a self proclaimed mission? Do they have some type of an agenda to fulfill? Do they see themselves as some type of self-fulfilling prophecy?

    It seems from most polls taken thus far. That a majority are not in favor of stricter gun laws. But to show their concerned, the powers too be are all thumping their chest to keep in beat with the minority; who do.

    Do they call Washington D.C. "The Hill" because crap is said to: "run down hill"?

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    Re: Obama to go for guns in 2013 'there will be resistance'

    I read that report this morning. They make mention of the 2A and hunting, which it isn't about.

    It just infuriates me that people are that ignorant. We cannot be a free society if we're ignorant.



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    Not only is Obama not going to restrict gun he has directed Holder to make it easier to get them and faster . Again this is their program not mine.
    Obama, Holder Push to Loosen Gun Sale Restrictions

    By the way anyone seen Hillary Rodham Clinton

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    With all the clamor from the media to "do something" I fully expected a bill to get pushed, even if it was dead on arrival, so that interested politicians could vote on it to save face. That would be the end of it, but the wild card is that Obama has shown a willingness to ignore the constitution to get what he wants and that's why the gun shows are packed. We resisted disarmament by King George III and we will resist King Obama.

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    Just like Obama is trying to wedge his foot through The door of the Catholic Church concerning his HHS Mandate so is he trying to rewrite the Constitution concerning our 2nd Amendment Rights. He has declared war on the Catholic Church and it's Religious Freedoms and it will not comply.

    I hope that all Law Abiding Citizens concerning their Right to Bear Arms do the same as the Catholic Church.

    This President doesn't care one bit about the Constitution and He took an Oath and Swore to Uphold it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    Obama hopes to enact new gun-control measures in 2013





    And there you have it folks. The new agenda for the new term.

    Anyone still think it's not gonna happen?

    ^^^^^^^NOOOOOOOOOOO, you are obviously mistaken^^^^^^^^^^


    All the talking heads and even those in the gun communities told us he's not interested in firearms legislation, "he didn't go after them in his first term, why would he do anything different in a second".
    Sound familiar?

    Only thing I have issue with in your post Bark'n is that this is NO NEW AGENDA.
    This was part of the plan all along.
    All of the dummies who re-elected him obviously wish for a fuedal system, now we will have it , coming at us faster than a speeding train.

    Here is a good definition of what a fuedal system is, does it describe what is transpiring in our country today, with a few differences?

    Though the ancient feudal systems were not, strictly speaking, confederacies, yet they partook of the nature of that species of association. There was a common head, chieftain, or sovereign, whose authority extended over the whole nation; and a number of subordinate vassals, or feudatories, who had large portions of land allotted to them, and numerous trains of INFERIOR vassals or retainers, who occupied and cultivated that land upon the tenure of fealty or obedience, to the persons of whom they held it. Each principal vassal was a kind of sovereign, within his particular demesnes. The consequences of this situation were a continual opposition to authority of the sovereign, and frequent wars between the great barons or chief feudatories themselves. The power of the head of the nation was commonly too weak, either to preserve the public peace, or to protect the people against the oppressions of their immediate lords. This period of European affairs is emphatically styled by historians, the times of feudal anarchy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty901 View Post
    Not only is Obama not going to restrict gun he has directed Holder to make it easier to get them and faster . Again this is their program not mine.
    Obama, Holder Push to Loosen Gun Sale Restrictions

    By the way anyone seen Hillary Rodham Clinton
    Hitlery reportedly had the flu a few weeks back, got dizzy, passed out and hit her head when she fell causing a concussion. I think she's out of the hospital and on the mend but I haven't heard anything lately. She's already been thrown under the bus and traded for Kerry as the new Secy of State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX expat View Post
    That's very accurate and it really is worth mentioning.

    Just look at all the state laws that have started springing up that battle the federal laws that this administration has passed. Already we are seeing state legislators starting to introduce state level legislation that would combat any federal gun control legislation.

    Some people think that we could never have another civil war, but I think they fail to realize that in some ways we already have one; it's just a war that will be waged in a court room.
    Ah, this, what you wrote in bold, is the way it should be; this and nothing more. This is our system
    and everyone who believes in our constitution and has sworn an oath to preserve it must understand that
    the only legitimate actions are in the political and legal sphere; not armed resistance or law breaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
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    Here is a good definition of what a fuedal system is, does it describe what is transpiring in our country today, with a few differences?

    Though the ancient feudal systems were not, strictly speaking, confederacies, yet they partook of the nature of that species of association. There was a common head, chieftain, or sovereign, whose authority extended over the whole nation; and a number of subordinate vassals, or feudatories, who had large portions of land allotted to them, and numerous trains of INFERIOR vassals or retainers, who occupied and cultivated that land upon the tenure of fealty or obedience, to the persons of whom they held it. Each principal vassal was a kind of sovereign, within his particular demesnes. The consequences of this situation were a continual opposition to authority of the sovereign, and frequent wars between the great barons or chief feudatories themselves. The power of the head of the nation was commonly too weak, either to preserve the public peace, or to protect the people against the oppressions of their immediate lords. This period of European affairs is emphatically styled by historians, the times of feudal anarchy.
    Alexander Hamilton: Federalist Papers Authored by Alexander Hamilton: No. 17 - Free Online Library
    Nope.
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    Obama's "making sure criminals can't take advantage of legal loopholes to get their hands on a gun". You would think a lawyer would know better about loopholes. It's the illegal loopholes that are the problem.
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    If any of you think we would be sitting in a different position regarding talk of gun control with Romney in the White House, I have a bridge to sell you...maybe if Gary Johnson had won, but either of the two major parties have little if any regard for our rights or really care what we think.

    If they did they could all look at the polls regarding gun control, the fiscal cliff, or whatever and act accordingly. Do they? Any of them? Not many care about anything other than staying in office and truly believe if they stick to their parties pre-written talking points they will do just enough to stay there. Our best option is to do what we can in the midterms to vote everyone of these career politicians out of office if for no other reason the to remind them that we can. If we do that, maybe, just maybe, they will start listening to us.
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    Obama to go for guns in 2013 'there will be resistance'

    What he is doing is really dangerous on several levels. It will become a rally point for the Right , and the Republicans if they are smart will fully support the 2nd.

    If they do band together and stop attacks on our Rights, it will be very good for them. The congress will be cleaned out again. Maybe I a too optimistic, but I think this had to happen. I am tired of seeing our rights eroded. Let the push back begin


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Ah, this, what you wrote in bold, is the way it should be; this and nothing more. This is our system
    and everyone who believes in our constitution and has sworn an oath to preserve it must understand that
    the only legitimate actions are in the political and legal sphere; not armed resistance or law breaking.
    Umm, no. It may be the safest way for some, but it's not the only way. Like many wars, armed confrontation is not always avoidable. And it's actually kind of funny that you'd bring up The Constitution and yet ignore that our Second Amendment was put there specifically because the Founding Fathers understood that sometimes violence is necessary to protect the things we value. They put their lives on the line to secure the freedoms we enjoy. The Second Amendment isn't a punchline or window dressing.

    I'm most certainly not advocating any sort of armed confrontation; on the contrary, I'm hoping that our government abides by the very document that they have sworn an oath to. If they continue down a path of turning America away from the rights and liberties that made America what it is, they may very well find that our country (or parts of it) just will not accept anything less than the freedom that we were guaranteed.
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    There has to be pushback because it's horribly wrong to push gun control agenda in the wake of a mass shooting ostensibly to remedy the shooting but which a cursory analysis shows does little or nothing to protect us from another such shooting. Only hardening the schools and more good guys with guns can defend against such murky random events. Besides it's a violation of rights.
    Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
    when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
    -Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

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