The Fallacy of Being Above it all

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    The Fallacy of Being Above it all


    I have been a shooter and hunter practically all of my life. I got my first BB gun long gun at five years old, my first BB gun hand gun and my first .22 rifle at six years old, and my first shotgun at seven years old. I was raised in a family of sports men and women that was all about the outdoors. I progressed from gun safety, to target shooting, to hunting, to various forms of competition, to tactical training, to being a Civilian trainer, then to being a Tier One Civilian/LEO/Military Tactical Trainer for one of the top Tactical Training companies in the world.

    I have spent forty six years in the shooting sports and the one thing that I simply could never understand is the fact that gun owners are their own worst enemies. In those forty six years the amount of elitism, prejudice, and backstabbing that I have witnessed makes me embarrassed to be part of a group of people that are so intentionally divisive. The vast majority of gun owners that I have met tend to divide themselves into groups and then latch on to the fallacy that somehow their chosen group is better than all of the other gun owners groups. It is one thing to be proud of what you do as a gun owner (pride), but it is an entirely different thing to look down your nose and talk smack about other gun owners that did not gravitate to the exact same form of "pursuit of happiness" that you did (arrogance.)

    First and foremost, being a gun owner is a God given right. Every person has the God given right to protect themselves, their loved ones, and innocence from the evils of this world, with the best tools to be able to match the level of evil that is directed towards them. This is not a right given from one man to another! It is not a right to be judge by anyone except for the person that has prioritized their own responsibilities. This is not a right extended to a man by his government. That inalienable right is either substantiated or refused to be recognized by the government. Refusal to recognize does not overcome the fact that it is a God given right that comes from a much higher authority than the authority of men.

    Second, being a gun owner is something that is substantiated by the United States government. They saw it as being so important that it is the Second Amendment of the Constitution. The right to bear arms was put into place as a form of "checks and balances" to protect the people from a tyrannical government. There is zero doubt on the intent of this. This has never been about "hunting heritage" or "sporting guns." It is about putting in place a method of keeping those in power from trying to grab too much power. It is about protecting the very core principles of what the USA was originally founded on.

    When we look at these two key points, where is the room, the reason, or the common sense to have gun owners infighting over such ridiculous things as "my chosen opinion on gun ownership is better than your chosen opinion on gun ownership?"

    "My sport is better than your sport."

    "My hunting rifle is better than your handgun."

    "My target shooting is better than your tactical training."

    "I don't know why anyone needs a handgun, those are just for killing people."

    "Sporting firearms are better than self defense firearms."

    "Hunting is the only purpose for a firearm."

    "Hunting is wrong."

    The lists of divisive comments just goes on and on!

    The elitism, the arrogance, the ignorance, the prejudice, and the divisiveness is absolutely revolting! Yet, we see it all of the time and we cannot even stop ourselves from doing it even when we are headed down the very same road as Australia and England. These are countries that experienced the "divide and conquer" tactics used against gun owners. Are we so blinded by our biases that we cannot look to the facts of history and stand up and declare that "you are not going to do that to us!"

    But no, we have gun owners backstabbing gun owners. We have gun owners tossing sacrificial lambs into a sea of fire in forms of appeasement. All of this done hoping that "if we give them somebody else's guns, they will not come after mine." Coward! "I do not know why anyone needs a standard capacity magazine!" Traitor! "I do not know why anyone would need an Assault Rifle." Turncoat! I do not need them! It is my right to have them. It is a right given to me by God and is substantiated by the US Constitution. How can I protect myself and my loved ones at the level that I want, if the evil of the world has better armaments than I?

    Yes I know, they are going to come after the weapons of guys like me first. Yes, I am asking you to look past your prejudice and help me keep what is mine in the eyes of God and the USA. But who are guys like me? I am a guy that has witnessed much violence and evil. I am a guy who has lost loved ones to violence and evil. I am a guy who has used the tools of death to save loved ones from violence and evil. I am a guy who fought his way out of the gutter to make sure that my children never have to do the things that I had to do. I am a guy who learned to be as deadly as he could possibly be because I know that if I am called on again.......I will be in the fight again. I am a guy that teaches this stuff to other people who find themselves in need of those type of skills. I am a guy who teaches good guys to be as deadly as they can possibly be, whether they are Civilian/LEO/Military. Some people say that what I teach is wrong. It is my belief that what I teach is as right as anything can possibly be. It is a God given right to be able to protect yourself, your loved ones, and the innocent from the evils of this world.

    If you have never had to deal with the evils of this world........God bless you.......I sincerely hope that you never do. "You do not know what you do not know" is a term that I use all of the time and if you have never had to fight for your life or that of somebody that you love, try to imagine what that must be like. Try to imagine, without ego, how good you would really like to be? How good of a weapon system would you really like to have?

    If you still think, as a gun owner, that your chosen sport, hobby, activity, or method of "pursuit of happiness" is better than what I do, then I seriously question the type of person that you are and the amount of love that is in your heart.

    We are at the beginning of a very long fight. Make no mistake, the Socialists that are in power right now want you to be disarmed. Their strategy will be to "divide and conquer." If you sit back and do nothing right now, or even worse, if you back stab guys like me, when they are done with guys like me, they are going to move onto the next group of gun owners. If you do not think that your gun is going to be targeted, you are wrong. Look to the history in England and Australia.

    If you think that you are above all of this........you are wrong!

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    I agree. All gun owners, hunters, concealed/open carry advocates, all 2nd amendment advocates,etc., have to put their differences aside and stand firm on the right given in the second amendment.
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    Agreed. Few things anger me more than these self-professed hunters who prance around talking about how "you don't need those assault weapons for hunting, you'd just cut the deer in half!" Worthless morons. As far as I'm concerned people like that are no better than the fascist from California who wants to persecute anyone who has property she finds disagreeable.

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    I dont consider myself to be above anybody or anything. Im just an everyday average joe who happens to like all things related to the 2nd and guns in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweatnbullets View Post
    The Fallacy of Being Above it all
    Great post! I hope you can get this out into the general public some how because people need to read it.
    It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

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    Re: The Fallacy of Being Above it all

    A very well articulated piece.

    As gun owners and 2nd amendment advocates, we are constantly fighting ignorance and superstition among our own.

    We must endeavor to learn, write and speak the truth.



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    Well spoken!! United is how we need to stand because there is less chance of getting caught in our own crossfire if we are all facing the same direction.
    Disarming innocent people does not protect innocent people.


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    I am glad you guys like it.

    Everyone is welcome to use it in any way that they see fit

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    I wholeheartedly agree.. this is amongst the best posts on the subject I have ever seen.
    It ain't happening.
    Sigh.

    Look at Britain, first handguns, then long arms, then fox hunting... now, effectively, TOTALLY disarmed.

    I'll call for volunteers one more time... here

    What I'm asking for can be done anonymously. Takes a minute of time. 67,000 members of DC, from all walks of life... not one volunteer. 302 views. not one volunteer... 1% would be 3... but nada.

    The idea may not be the best, the execution may not be quite as slick as TV... but our 2A leadership isn't doing it... there was a great deal made of the use of social media in the previous elections, and particularly in the President's first run.

    Just like Kennedy was the first president to understand the power of TV.

    The era of smoke filled rooms is dying. You see how social media has ignited everything from flash mobs (the good kind) to letting the world know about Arab spring...

    But folks, we have to act quickly... Our 2nd A standard bearers have got to MOVE. MOVE to make gun ownership human, to make the successful defensive use of guns public. MOVE to spread truth.

    The antis are already doing exactly the opposite... they are out on street corners, in the press, on the news, in the talk shows... It's almost like state run media. The antis control the airwaves... Well, in countries where there actually IS state controlled media... the people have used social networks to broadcast their struggles... and have united a world behind them.

    While our paid representatives are still working "behind the scenes."

    NOW is the time to bring gun ownership "out of the closet."
    Make it public, make it real, show that we aren't all gun and bible clingers.
    That we aren't all vigilantes.
    That little girls and young men have protected themselves and their families with guns that the banners want to take.

    The antis wail, and wring their hands... but they do it publicly, and win the hearts of the fence sitters, and even some gun owners.

    We sit on our hands and wait. If we wait too long, we will have to see about that "cold dead hands" statement made on our behalf. My guess is that most gun owners... maybe not you, maybe not me, but most gun owners, will line up behind the rest of the sheep and go into the chute and into the truck that goes to the packing plant. It happened in NOLA... it will happen in the rest of the country, unless you wake everybody up.

    And, as sweat and bullets has already so eloquently said, we need to speak with one voice... and forget our petty little differences.

    I apologize for the partial hijack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweatnbullets View Post
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    We are at the beginning of a very long fight. Make no mistake, the Socialists that are in power right now want you to be disarmed. Their strategy will be to "divide and conquer." If you sit back and do nothing right now, or even worse, if you back stab guys like me, when they are done with guys like me, they are going to move onto the next group of gun owners. If you do not think that your gun is going to be targeted, you are wrong. Look to the history in England and Australia.

    If you think that you are above all of this........you are wrong!
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    And do not forget that the liberals, socialists, leftist are expert at dividing people into dissenting groups.
    Gun owners must stick together.
    There have been a number of posts where "sportsmen" are in favor of assault weapons bans.
    If this does not stop we will lose them all, if not us our children and/or grand children will.
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    The right to bear arms was put into place as a form of "checks and balances" to protect the people from a tyrannical government. There is zero doubt on the intent of this. This has never been about "hunting heritage" or "sporting guns." It is about putting in place a method of keeping those in power from trying to grab too much power.

    Well said - This must not be forgotten, especially now when new gun legislation is in the works.

    Our right to own/use firearms has nothing to do with hunting or sporting purposes. It was spelled out in the Constitution to protect us from a tyrannical government.

    Good post sweatnbullets!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dV8r View Post
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    And do not forget that the liberals, socialists, leftist are expert at dividing people into dissenting groups.
    Gun owners must stick together.
    There have been a number of posts where "sportsmen" are in favor of assault weapons bans.
    If this does not stop we will lose them all, if not us our children and/or grand children will.
    It is hard to deny the facts, it has been a long established truth that gun owners are their own worse enemies. The long range guy hates the handgun guy, the skeet guy hates the trap guy, the hunter hates the tactical guy, the tactical guy hates the Fudd, the open carry guy hates the concealed carry guy, etc, etc! It goes on and on and on!

    Due to our hubris we allow the true enemy to use our petty little differences against each other. When the facts are pointed out, it is actually quite embarrassing. Not much anyone can do to debate that such asinine behavior is even remotely acceptable.

    "Unite or Die!"

    It really is as simple as that.
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    I'm not sure that I agree with the tenor of the post. It's a bit harsh.
    I certainly think that we all need to hang together, lest we all hang separately.
    I see some people that think differently, and only care about their particular type of firearm, but those folks are a minority of gun owners in my experience (especially on the forum).
    My experience of disagreement is more like sibling rivalry and friendly banter - the Glock versus XD fight, the 1911 versus plastic gun fight, caliber wars, etc. We like to fight over these things, but we all understand that these things don't really matter - we all come together and fight a common enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElkSniper View Post
    I'm not sure that I agree with the tenor of the post. It's a bit harsh.
    I certainly think that we all need to hang together, lest we all hang separately.
    I see some people that think differently, and only care about their particular type of firearm, but those folks are a minority of gun owners in my experience (especially on the forum).
    My experience of disagreement is more like sibling rivalry and friendly banter - the Glock versus XD fight, the 1911 versus plastic gun fight, caliber wars, etc. We like to fight over these things, but we all understand that these things don't really matter - we all come together and fight a common enemy.
    I lived in California when hardly any body stood up for the assault weapon guys. The number of "sportsman" and "hunters" that blatantly and vocally back stabbed us was unbelievable. They do not seem to understand that their bolt guns can be classified as sniper rifles at the stroke of a pen.

    We have to support each other from the very get go. Because once they start picking off groups of gun owners, the ones picked off no longer have anything to fight for. Let me make it clear, if the very last free and legal gun owners in America are sportsman and hunters, they will receive very little help from anyone that they back stabbed. That is exactly how it went down in Australia and England.

    Fight with us now while we have a chance or fight alone at the end when you have zero chance.

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    I have to agree, it is time to be heard. There are many of us that are outraged over the upcoming bills to ban guns, but offer nothing but "talk". On the other hand there are many of us that do the talk, but also inform their state and federal representatives of their objection to any type gun ban by means of e-mails , letters, telephone calls and also at the representatives town hall meetings.

    I would venture to say that of the 16,000 plus members of this forum less than 10% have attempted to contact there representative over the gun ban issue. I would also be correct to say that if a poll were to be started asking the members if they have contacted their representative in the last month or if they have not contacted their representative 90%+ would say they have not. I would also say that the poll would receive very little participation.

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