"For the Children"

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    "For the Children"

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    Last December 7th, 2012 was the 25th anniversary of my first date with my wife. On this special night, I planned a trip to the local aquarium with my wife and my 19 month old Granddaughter, Zoey. I thought that it would be nice if we celebrated the day, where it all started, with the most precious little person in our lives and one of the very best things that we had ever helped make happen. I also selfishly wanted to be the first person to bring Zoey to the aquarium.......it's a Grandfather thing!

    As I dressed for the night, I thought through the risk level of the area, the obligation that I would have as the protectors for my two special girls, and geared up accordingly while reminding myself of my absolute commitment to their safety. This is something that I normally do, but on this night there was a bit more inherent risk than usual. I was not positive if the aquarium was a non-permissive environment, but I made the decision that "If I see no signs, there are no signs" if you know what I mean. Luckily, I live in a state where it is not a crime unless I refuse to leave.

    Zoey seemed to understand that we were doing something special and both of my girls were in the very best of spirits. I was on the top of the world, but as always my primary mission is never far from my mind. I remember thinking about how safe my girls were and even thought about how safe the other children that were present were because I was there........doing what comes natural to me.

    This was an absolutely perfect night. Zoey was simply awestruck by the aquarium and went through it three times running from window to window with the bewilderment of exploration that only a child can experience. I can remember very few times in my life where I felt this level of joy and love. I thought about how odd it is that a person as absolutely dangerous as me could have such intense feeling. Then it dawned on me that this was the reason that I was so dangerous.

    One week later on December 14, 2012 evil struck again, this time in Newtown, Connecticut

    When I think of the love I have for Zoey, I cannot even imagine what those families are going through. Years ago, I lost my sister to violence but she was an adult and the innocence had been lost long before her death........but the children of Newtown!

    I wonder the number of people that would have been willing to risk their own lives for those children. I wonder the number of people that abhor violence that would have moved past that belief to have the opportunity to use violence to stop the evil that was unleashed on those children.

    They say "A Democrat is a Republican that has just not been mugged yet."

    While we say these things in jest, there is still a lot of truth to it. I began my journey as an extremely dangerous person due to attacks on people that I loved. It was not evil that made me dangerous......it was love.........and it made me more dangerous than my adversaries were willing to go up against. I was willing to die for those that I loved, but they were not willing to die for those that they hated.

    I cannot even imagine being responsible for children and not being responsible enough to be able to protect them. To me, that would be a fate worse than death. Do people really have to be "mugged" before they can see this? Can't people see the evil and see the loss of innocence, then make the necessary adjustments without having to personally experience it? "Just in case" and "for the children" would seem to me to be enough to equip oneself with the necessary knowledge and tools.

    For the choir out there, I am not preaching to you. I am preaching to those that are responsible for the children, that may have realized since December 14, 2012, that they need to be more responsible for their protection. If you came to the realization that you would die for them, like some of the adults did inside of that school, I would appreciate that you take the initiative to learn how to fight for them. Dying for them may not be enough! You may need to fight evil to the death to stop their evil intent.

    You can put your head back in the sand and hope that evil does not pick "your kids" number, or you can use your love to make you more dangerous to evil than evil could ever be to the precious children who look to you for their protection.

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    Congrats, and I agree with your post, observations, and emotions with respect to your "ladies" . I have a "Zoe" Granddaughter too, interestingly enough. Granddaughters are special. When I go visit my Zoe, however, I am reduced to carrying a very nasty cane and some other tricks, since I am in a non-permissive environment (MA).

    I cannot even imagine being responsible for children and not being responsible enough to be able to protect them. To me, that would be a fate worse than death. Do people really have to be "mugged" before they can see this? Can't people see the evil and see the loss of innocence, then make the necessary adjustments without having to personally experience it? "Just in case" and "for the children" would seem to me to be enough to equip oneself with the necessary knowledge and tools.
    As my wife said over 32 years ago, at the birth of our first child, she never knew she had murder in her heart, at her command, until she was responsible for that tiny baby. That baby changed her entire way of looking at the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    Congrats, and I agree with your post, observations, and emotions with respect to your "ladies" . I have a "Zoe" Granddaughter too, interestingly enough. Granddaughters are special. When I go visit my Zoe, however, I am reduced to carrying a very nasty cane and some other tricks, since I am in a non-permissive environment (MA).



    As my wife said over 32 years ago, at the birth of our first child, she never knew she had murder in her heart, at her command, until she was responsible for that tiny baby. That baby changed her entire way of looking at the world.

    Great post, Roger. Glad to see you back!
    Thanks for the welcome back, life gets in the way and really busy sometimes.

    It is good to speak with another extremely dangerous man with the same type of love in his heart.

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    ^^^ ......Very True...... ^^^

    I would eat glass to protect my children from stepping in it, and jump through hoops of fire to prevent them from being burned!

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    Well, I am sure that it will not come as much of a surprise that Gabe Suarez and I are on the same page. I wrote my article 8 days after Newtown and I will admit to still be mourning the loss of the children. Sadness has now been replaced with anger and Gabe has stated my feelings on this quite well in this article.

    If you read the OP and then you read this, you will see much of this was implied 8 days after Newtown.


    Active Shooters - Final Solution by Gabe Suarez

    Since the killings in Connecticut, we have heard all manner of proposed solutions to these problems. Most of the solutions proposed smack of stupidity and cowardice…and a few other things. In this article I will state why I think these events occur, and how to best stop them.

    I begin with the assumption that man is evil and selfish – and dark. If left in the wilds, to his own devices, to live as an animal, man becomes a predator with nothing to curtail the drives to eat, rest, and procreate...by force. It is only civilization, and with it, morality, or the sense of right and wrong, that elevates man from a self-serving animal, to the status of human being.

    In our western civilization, right and wrong is defined in the book that has defined our culture from the first century – the Bible. If we remove the Bible, and its Author, from our society, we immediately lose the authority to define what is right and what is wrong. And in modern America’s idiotic desire to “never offend anyone”, we have sacrificed the definition of what is right and what is wrong, for some sense of approval by those who are wrong. Americans do not care if they are called, but do not call him intolerant. Except for God, who defines good and evil, and right and wrong…Americans don’t want to hear about that…it might offend someone.

    The problem is that without the light of good that our biblical culture brings, there is nothing holding back the darkness. And when nothing holds that back, the forces of evil grow stronger, and you see them flex their muscles in Columbine, Aurora, and in Connecticut. Want to stop that from happening again? Really stop it? Invite the light of good back, and the Source of that light and see how society changes.

    Now that will not happen overnight, and it will never happen in the most left-leaning regions of America.

    So what to do in the interim?

    The socialists in America from their fearless leader on down to the socialist dog catcher that voted for him want to remove guns from society. Good luck I say. They cannot even tame illiterate goat herders in Afghanistan with their “give peace a chance” nation-building policies.

    The NRA wants security guards at every soft target.

    Nice idea but who is going to pay for that. After all, even the noblest, self-sacrificing Lancelot needs to pay the rent. Retired cops? Really? Please let us not assume that every man or woman that has worn a badge is the sort that will attack the gunman. Not every retired police officer was a SWAT cop. The retired, 300 pound, nice-old-guy with heart problems may make the soccer moms feel good but sorry, he will not be much help when Freddie Kruger shows up with a Deputy’s stolen rifle and a handful of psychiatrist-issued feel-good pills.

    No disrespect…just plain cold and ugly reality.

    “So what the hell do we do?” you ask.

    The answer is right there. But it is not an answer that is "on the payroll", or answers to anyone in Washington, or requires any Senate subcommittee. Let me tell you what the answer is…answers are.

    The role of “Protector” cannot be assigned. You cannot order a Pekinese to turn into a Pitbull. It is a self selected action.

    The mother that protects the students from the killer has self-selected as protector.

    The father that runs into the burning building to save the child self-selects as protector.

    What parent would not die for their child if that was the choice? But wait…we are on to something. Death is not required. What parent would not "risk their life" for their child? I know I would in a second without a second thought. And by extension, what parent would not "kill for their child"?

    Let that hang in the air for a moment.

    Two points and two points only. We do not need any blithering rants from Biden nor any of his familiars. The solution is as plain as day. Who will protect the innocents? The families of the innocents themselves will protect them…as it has been since the days of Christ.

    1). Abolish all “gun free” zones. Not that any bad guy with a gun actually observes those limits anyway. Case in point, from Aurora to Columbine and from Connecticutt to San Ysidro…it did not stop the killers did it?

    But it did in fact stop the self-selected protectors that might have taken their weapon with them, save their inherent desire to obey the rules. Had good guys with guns been there and killed the killers, how many lives would have been spared?

    Who is guilty for those murders as much as the devil that pulled the trigger? The architects of the gun free zones.

    2). Arm the fathers and mothers. At schools, search through the parents list. How many of them fit the role of self-selected protector? I will bet in those ranks you find combat veterans, working cops, retired cops, and martial artists, that if empowered by the forces they respect (the local Sheriff…or the school) would volunteer two, maybe three hours per week to stand in the gap, armed and ready, to protect their children...and the children of others with their will, skill, and courage.

    There is no greater motivated fighter, than a man fighting for his home, his brothers, or his family. No badges, or grants, or approval from Washington, or the NRA is needed. What father would not have given his life to be there in Connecticut with a pistol to kill the killer before those children were sacrificed on the altar of politically correct, egalitarian, gun-free America?

    The solution to these horrific events is simple and clear to any that want to find them. Most of America, however, specially its leadership, does not really want a solution, only to use these events as opportunities. They are far too busy using the dead children as a stepping stone to gain support for their agendas from the ignorant and the cowardly.

    Gabe Suarez

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    Re: "For the Children"

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    In our western civilization, right and wrong is defined in the book that has defined our culture from the first century – the Bible. If we remove the Bible, and its Author, from our society, we immediately lose the authority to define what is right and what is wrong. And in modern America’s idiotic desire to “never offend anyone”, we have sacrificed the definition of what is right and what is wrong, for some sense of approval by those who are wrong. Americans do not care if they are called, but do not call him intolerant. Except for God, who defines good and evil, and right and wrong…Americans don’t want to hear about that…it might offend someone.

    The problem is that without the light of good that our biblical culture brings, there is nothing holding back the darkness. And when nothing holds that back, the forces of evil grow stronger, and you see them flex their muscles in Columbine, Aurora, and in Connecticut. Want to stop that from happening again? Really stop it? Invite the light of good back, and the Source of that light and see how society changes.
    And this is the core of most of the nation's problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by zamboni View Post
    ^^^ ......Very True...... ^^^

    I would eat glass to protect my children from stepping in it, and jump through hoops of fire to prevent them from being burned!
    Even considered cleaning up the glass or extinguishing the fire? Just saying...
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    I know (for certain) that mamas & grandmamas have all the sensitive compassion of a Nazi sniper when they think their cubs are in danger. They DON'T CARE and they WON'T STOP until the threat is neutralized. They have NO reverse gear. They make a mama grizzly seem like a nun. The laws, the danger, sure injury, possible death will NOT register with them in that clear moment. The assured safety of their cubs is not just paramount, it is ALL and ALL. Males (bless our hearts) may wisely meter ourselves with situational awareness & prudent reason. Females, contrastingly, become full-on superhumans & "screw my moral compass" until my little ones are clear. God can sort-out the details...after the carnage. Woe be the felon who puts Mrs. Ghost Trackers cubs in harms way. Bet the farm that she'll drop 'em like a hot horseshoe.
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    Once again, I wrote "For the Children" when I was still in mourning for the children and families of Newtown. I wrote that article being very careful to not be seen as insensitive to the tragic loss of innocence. Now that the time for mourning has past and a major offensive has been put into motion to destroy the very fabric that this country was built on, I am no longer sad.......I am mad!

    Here is what I really want to say.

    If you are responsible for children, you need to be responsible enough to be able to protect them. To fail at that responsibility is something that you need to make sure never happens. I could care less that you have decided that you would not even fight to defend yourself, in my eyes that decision makes you worthless as a human being. But if you are responsible for children, you need to be able to fight for them. Even if you are worthless........they are not!

    Getting rid of the gun free zones will allow people that self select themselves as the protectors of the children to do what needs to be done. I am not a fan of the NRA due to their appeasements of the past, but they did have one thing right, "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun." I train people that are responsible for children all over this country. The exact capacity of this "responsibility" does not matter and is something that I never ask about. Somewhere inside the training a truth appears to me that is being carefully hidden just below the surface. These people get as much personal attention as I can possibly give them.

    When I spot these people I am always proud to be chosen as somebody that they sought out. They get my best because the deserve the best.

    For the children!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweatnbullets View Post
    Once again, I wrote "For the Children" when I was still in mourning for the children and families of Newtown. I wrote that article being very careful to not be seen as insensitive to the tragic loss of innocence. Now that the time for mourning has past and a major offensive has been put into motion to destroy the very fabric that this country was built on, I am no longer sad.......I am mad!

    Here is what I really want to say.

    If you are responsible for children, you need to be responsible enough to be able to protect them. To fail at that responsibility is something that you need to make sure never happens. I could care less that you have decided that you would not even fight to defend yourself, in my eyes that decision makes you worthless as a human being. But if you are responsible for children, you need to be able to fight for them. Even if you are worthless........they are not!

    Getting rid of the gun free zones will allow people that self select themselves as the protectors of the children to do what needs to be done. I am not a fan of the NRA due to their appeasements of the past, but they did have one thing right, "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun." I train people that are responsible for children all over this country. The exact capacity of this "responsibility" does not matter and is something that I never ask about. Somewhere inside the training a truth appears to me that is being carefully hidden just below the surface. These people get as much personal attention as I can possibly give them.

    When I spot these people I am always proud to be chosen as somebody that they sought out. They get my best because the deserve the best.

    For the children!
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    A Dad

    By Roger Phillips, Suarez International Specialist Instructor


    Last October in Reno we were having the usual Saturday night dinner that we try to arrange during every traveling course. This one was a little different. We often have guests, significant others, and family members joining us for dinner. This is a good way for the guests to understand why we love to train and find out about the quality of people that we spend so much time with. On this particular night we were joined by a beautiful little 2 1/2 year girl named Sawyer. She was the youngest of three daughters of Warrior Talk member Rob227. She was a little shy at first, but as long as dad was there, all was good in her world.

    Sawyer reminded me so much of my oldest daughter Mary when she was that age. The same smile, similar smiling eyes, and that “big” little voice. It was plain to see that Sawyer loved her dad and that dad would do anything for her. It got me thinking about “why we do, what we do.”

    I am always asked how I got to be where I am today. People ask me “You are not a Cop, you are not a Soldier, why do you train so hard? Why do you need to know the things that you know and need to do the things that you can do?” To me, the question has always been a bit odd. I always considered the protection of my loved ones even more important than the protection of my community or my country. Through the years I’ve found that my past experiences are very different from most peoples. I guess that experience has solidified my absolute knowledge in “the evil of man.” Making myself as deadly as I can possibly be seems as natural as making as much money as I possibly can. To me, it is just part of who I am and what I feel to be important as “the provider” of my family. We provide financial security. We provide a safe place to live, to go to school, and to grow up. But, the most important thing that we provide for our loved ones is security. When it comes down to brass tacks, it is not the cop or the soldier that will most likely be the last line of defense for our loved ones. The last line of defense will most likely be ………a Dad.

    The next day, I approached Rob227 about wanting to write this article. He looked at me kind of funny……as if I had read his mind. He then sat back and told me the event that solidified his need to learn to be “the very best fighter that I could possibly be.” Without going into specifics it was all about being “A Dad.” He told me of the moment that he realized that if he wanted to be the man that he needed to be, he was going to have to learn to be as deadly as he could possibly be.

    I am not a cop! I am not a soldier! What I do is every bit as honorable a duty. I will continue to learn to be as deadly as I can possibly be. I will continue to teach my students to be as deadly as they can possibly be. No fluff, no BS, and no political correctness. Just honest, brutally effective, and devastatingly lethal as I can find.

    Why? Because I am a Dad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweatnbullets View Post


    Active Shooters - Final Solution by Gabe Suarez

    I begin with the assumption that man is evil and selfish – and dark. If left in the wilds, to his own devices, to live as an animal, man becomes a predator with nothing to curtail the drives to eat, rest, and procreate...by force. It is only civilization, and with it, morality, or the sense of right and wrong, that elevates man from a self-serving animal, to the status of human being.

    In our western civilization, right and wrong is defined in the book that has defined our culture from the first century – the Bible. If we remove the Bible, and its Author, from our society, we immediately lose the authority to define what is right and what is wrong. And in modern America’s idiotic desire to “never offend anyone”, we have sacrificed the definition of what is right and what is wrong, for some sense of approval by those who are wrong. Americans do not care if they are called, but do not call him intolerant. Except for God, who defines good and evil, and right and wrong…Americans don’t want to hear about that…it might offend someone.

    The problem is that without the light of good that our biblical culture brings, there is nothing holding back the darkness. And when nothing holds that back, the forces of evil grow stronger, and you see them flex their muscles in Columbine, Aurora, and in Connecticut. Want to stop that from happening again? Really stop it? Invite the light of good back, and the Source of that light and see how society changes. Gabe Suarez
    There is SO much truth in these few sentences. I really wish that America would would begin a reversion that would bring us back to this way of thinking and living. Great job Gabe.
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