What else do we accept??
This is a discussion on What else do we accept?? within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Im not going to go into the Constitution 2A etc etc since that is covered pretty well from all the posts Ive read. What does ...
January 5th, 2013 03:55 AM
What else do we accept??
Im not going to go into the Constitution 2A etc etc since that is covered pretty well from all the posts Ive read. What does bother me is that more than a few seem to be willing to accept or even think additional regulation of firearms in one way or another is a good idea in a forum of gun owners.
Granted these are smallish it seems like gunshow background checks, requiring gun owners to report this or register that etc. Nothing huge but in reality useless and only opening the door to more anti meddling with 2A.
Ill take background checks for example. Any background checks period. Sound good totally useless though even to stop a violent murdering felon from getting a gun. Criminals dont buy guns at gun shops or anyplace else that has background checks. Some planning his first bank robbery it wont stop either since he hasnt commited the crime yet so the background check?? Again useless. Some loonytunes with a mental history? Try getting his medical records before he kills someone. Aint gonna happen. You can barley get your own medical records. Even if a background check would show them, unless the person is a total slobbering idiot, he can get any gun he wants on the street, from his familys gun case etc etc.
Ban assault weapons? Useless, still be around anybody can get one that isnt going to obey the law. Full Auto probably custom painted by your local gang member you bought it from.
Hopefully you see where this is going. No matter what laws are put in place, a criminal or would be criminal can get anything from a 22 to a full auto name your poison. Probably rocket propelled grenades if one had the money.
So being willing or even supporting more small regulation doesnt gain or solve anything.
There were criminal cavemen who stole other cave mens rocks dino teeth and women.
There have always been bad guys that do horrendous things. There always will be. You cannot make laws to change that. The best that can be done is get out of the dang way and let the good folks be able to defend themselves with the same level of armament that any street goon with money has a back room full of. All the rest is just talk and smoke and mirrors and politicians trying to make themselves feel and look relevant.
The world isnt perfect, life aint fair, and its never gonna be no matter what the government does.
Ok rant over. The hillbilly will shut up for a while
Last edited by Ghost1958; January 5th, 2013 at 03:56 AM.
January 5th, 2013 04:08 AM
Unless hunters, gun owners, concealed and open carrier, 2nd amendment advocate organizations put their differences aside and fight the fight united they are doomed to fail. If you notice the anti-gun advocates are united and have the edge of free assistance from many media outlets.
"One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation."
--Thomas B. Reed, American AttorneySecond Amendment -- Established December 15, 1791
and slowly eroded ever since What happened to "..... shall not be infringed."
January 5th, 2013 06:41 AM
I hear what you an others are saying, and I am a no infringements type of person. However, when trying to make a point with an anti, expect to get asked WHY don't criminals buy guns at gun stores? It could be that they know they will not pass the NICS check, so they don't bother. Before background checks were instituted, where did criminals buy their guns? Before there were FFLs, hardware stores carried guns...
Originally Posted by Ghost1958
I think it is entirely likely that the institution of FFLs and NICS drove the criminals to other channels. It clearly did not deprive them of the ability to get their hands on guns. So, like so much legislation, establishing FFLs and NICS had an effect, but no real impact.
"I've noticed that everyone that is pro-abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny." Thomas Jefferson
You are only paranoid until you are right - then you are a visionary.
January 5th, 2013 07:46 AM
The bottom line is that we don't have a "weapons problem" we have a "CRIMINAL problem" and those guys have a way of not giving two hoots about the law. I agree with resisting all 2A encrouchment. We give up something and get nothing in return. Absolutely nothing. Not safety, nor even peace of mind.
I took what action I could I guess, I finally joined NRA yesterday, figured they need the money now, and they are giving me a pocket knife. Wrote my senators a few days ago, too, so I expect the staffer-written form letter any day now. "I'll keep your views in mind as we debate this important legislation."
January 5th, 2013 08:42 AM
Of the groups you're pointed out, the only ones I see having issues with the others is . . . concealed carriers who constantly hammer and oppose open carry. I don't any of the others bickering. Why is that? I encourge gunownership for whatever reason one chooses, whether it's hunting, target shooting, or self protection. I don't think any of us think they're only going to restrict hunting guns--or target guns--or SD guns; they'll fight to restrict them all!
Originally Posted by Crowman
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January 5th, 2013 08:56 AM
IMO........the level of apathy and lack of self esteem amongst gun owners and hunters here in NJ is why we have the firearms laws we have here. The fight here is weak and almost like they've at times thrown in the towel some years ago.....heck the NRA gave up here a long ways back......some people here don't even vote let alone vote for a candidate who even knows anything about our US Constitution.......this IMO is how it gets to where it is today....pathetic......ya got to give a DAMN or someone will take it from ya.
January 5th, 2013 09:20 AM
Any ground we give up will just be the first step to giving up more .
That is why they are flooding forums with those that say we need to be reasonable and give this or that up . Soften the target.
Take ground little at a time one step at a time .
No madder what is given up it will not stop there.
January 5th, 2013 09:31 AM
+100 on that, the talking heads always call it “gun violence” when in reality it is “criminal violence using a gun”.
Originally Posted by BuckNekkid
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January 5th, 2013 03:51 PM
agree on the apathy, I know way to many gun owners, CCL's, hunters, all kinds, and most dont belong to any org or ever write their reps, they just take for granted whatever the law is at that time.
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January 5th, 2013 04:04 PM
Having read all I can about the coming freight train, I'm more genuinely alarmed than at any time in my life. I'm ready to put on the tinfoil hat. The threat is real and it has a great deal of momentum. The current administration makes truly expert use of all media outlets and they know how to organize. Apathetic supporters of the 2nd Amendment are likely to wake up too late unless someone yanks on their chain now. If you haven't expressed your concerns to your legislators--even if they're on the other side--NOW is the time to do so. Also, it's time to spread the alarm to all possible allies to communicate with Washington.
Excuse me while I adjust my hat.
January 5th, 2013 05:37 PM
I've already got my hat on and I am still worried. If Obama can't get something trough Congress, I'll bet he issues an executive order Or has the DOJ/ATF issue some new rules which will severely stomp on the 2A.
January 5th, 2013 09:40 PM
why dont they swipe through the inner citys and take guns off the gangstas that I see every night on the news, who without there would be no news. If they want to infringe on rights go through the files of criminals that the JUDGES let out early and I bet they already have a gun, raid his house and when you see a load of young G's on the street corners then do a pat down.. Of course that sounds like martial law...
The govt is afraid because this pres was not elected he was either appointed or it was corruption and they know they are out of line and the econemy is gonna collapse and they want the middle classes guns, people they know have things to loose and know will give up easy with out inncident.. WELL SCREW THAT we have no choice but to make it known that there is gonna be a real problem and we need to train our minds to accept that we might die, I never hurt a fly in my 15 years of carrying so its easier to say then to do so we will have to see how it goes and what happens in that fight or flight moment...
I know once im disarmed I am subject to whatever sheme the govt has up its sleeve and history shows it can be brutal. Im not implementingthat our govt is that way but what about down the road?NOO we cant let it happen. LIBERALS? Grow some and stop watching chris (mayonnaise) matthews and gaychel maddow
January 6th, 2013 01:07 AM
Amazing if they had put half this much effort and brain power into fixing the economy and all the other important issues we'd be so much better off by now..
January 6th, 2013 12:56 PM
They don't want to fix it, they want to crash it so they can rebuild this country into an ideal Socialist State.
Originally Posted by blastissimo
January 6th, 2013 01:02 PM
A more true and frightening statement could not be made...
Originally Posted by SigPapa226
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Laws are restrictive but sometimes necessary to maintain a civil society. Rights are nonrestrictive but are always necessary to maintain a free society.