This is a discussion on White House trying to rally WalMart and others for gun control legislation. within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by TX expat Well if you are NOT talking about private party sales then what exactly are you talking about? EVERY FFL does ...
Thats what I want fixed, I want to make sure the info thats supposed to be in there gets in there as quickly as possible.
Im not calling for ANY new laws, just make the NCIC as functional and up to date as possible.
What you sell me and I sell you is our own business.
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That "broad and instantaneous" database on gun ownership isn't very far from "let's track the movement of every gun owner at all times, make them ask permission to leave the State with their guns, get pre-approved in advance." All because, hey, guns are dangerous and IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!!!
Do you seriously believe that any gun law would have stopped the shooters you mentioned, "or at least prevented the shooter from buying his handgun legally." They would have just gotten them illegally, all while making the rest of us jump through hoops.
"Hopefully the extreme stuff will be filtered out (an AWB)." ???? As far as I'm concerned, it's "extreme stuff" that is already being proposed and it's already well beyond egregious and highly unconstitutional.
But then again, I disagree with the requirement of a permit to carry concealed, so what do I know?
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And just so you know... a lot of vendors at gunshows are gun store owners... in fact my first handgun I purchased as at a gunshow... I was also charged 5 dollars by the seller and had to wait as she got on her cellphone and called the NCIC for a go/no go for me AT A GUN SHOW.
What I do know is that certain information is withheld or not available when checking the background. I wouldn't mind adjusting that a bit.
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My opinion of NICS is this...
For the unenlightened out there, NICS is crap.
It does not prevent anything. It's supposed to be instant. Ask the guy at the gunshops that had to wait two days for an instant check what they think about it. Or the guys that got delayed for several hours because the NICS system was "overwhelmed".
NICS is no less an a data base that registers who is buying what. The fools out there beleive that it's not a registration system, but it is.
I got audited by the ATF last week. It was an NFA audit. It lasted 9 hours. The examiner pulls out some paper that was a record of every single time I called NICS and compared some of the 4473's on file and compared the transaction number...and it goes back for a year.
A year? I've been told numerous times that they dont keep any data, that its against the law for them to keep anything for more than 3 months...yet here is an agent that pulls out a sheet of every transaction that I had done in the last year.Even she said that it only went back 3 months. "If it only goes back 3 months " I asked..."then how is it that you can go back a year?" She got this wierd look on her face and then said, "that's what we are told to say". Hmmm. I thought. O.K.
I wish that some of our rocket surgeons here would explain that one away.
NICS...is a de facto registration system. It tells the government that John Doe, bought this handgun,rifle or other, at this place, on this date.
Any you people that think it does something for the good, need to get a clue. All it does is show that some whacked out crazy sucker hasnt run afoul of the law at that period in time. Nothing more,nothing less. If you think it prevents one single act of violence, then you have bought into a lie. You have sacrificed your right to privacy because you bought into the liberal mantra that being made safer requires a sacrifice of freedom. If you are that uniformed, that simple minded or that stupid, then you are part of the problem.
And you people expect the Federal Government to be able to successfully classify mentally sick people? That would be funny if it werent so pitiful.
Think about what some of our hard core socialists in government think. They think that gun owners are sick. Christians are sick. Any body that bought a handgun or an evil black rifle that no one needs is sick. They think that if you throw a fit about getting taxed into oblivion you are sick. That if you refuse to bend down and kiss the boots of a President that you are sick. If you spank or disicpline your kids you are sick. If you go to any church more than twice a year you are sick. If you own pit-bulls you are sick. If you own a gas or diesel guzzing truck that you can actually put something in you are sick. If you have too many TV's you are sick.If you oppose an immoral lifestyle...you are sick.
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Plus NICS is just a gun registration platform. Why do you think the government is trying "Hard on new levels" to close the gun show loophole? Because they want their database.
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As far as I'm concerned....Wal-mart can go along with Dick's and Lower Than Dirt.......their choice to make.
I like the name TARGET.....better anyway.
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Crestwood, are you an armed security guard? I know a lot of places hire "security" guards and then don't arm them. All they can really do is call the police when they have an issue. Not much security in that.
sent them this quick note a minute ago;
"Please understand that my family and I will take our business elsewhere if Walmart makes any changes in its firearm and/or ammunition policy in response to any of the current political pressure. We have a couple of alternative places to shop at that aren't much farther away that would be happy to get the substantial amount of money we spend each month.