Maybe it's time to end the American experiment.

[gunslingergirl]

There are so many obvious differences in the different parts of this country that I see it becoming impossible to keep it together. For that matter why should people and states be held against their will?

The vast majority of the country is pro gun ownership. The only areas that are anti-gun are the west coast and north eastern states and Washington DC. Why should the rest of us be subjected to their demands? They are also mostly the highest tax states with the least benefits for the working person or small business.

Maybe it's time to separate into individual states or regional alliances similar to Europe. For example the socialist west coast states are a good match with each other, they have sufficient resources. The western mountain states all pretty much think alike except Nevada is full of Californians now. The midwest pretty much sticks together, except for Illinois which can fend for itself I guess. Chicago is lost any way. The South will always stand, and the Northeast could just be quarantined for the good of the hemisphere, except perhaps Vermont, but maybe we could airlift in supplies like Berlin.

What do you think?

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[Echo_Four]

I am literally laughing out loud thinking about a Vermont Air Lift.

[Crowman]

Nice thoughts......

I am not a legal scholar so I will just pose the question. Is it possible that state rights could trump some if not all the federal gun laws. As I recall the Supreme Court recently ruled on the Arizona law issue of illegal immigrants. If I recall right some was ruled unconstitutional but the rest fell under state rights. So if states make law to the contrary federal laws that do not conflict with the 2nd amendment wouldn't that constitutionally acceptable. Yes -- No -- Maybe???

[Echo_Four]

As long as the gun is involved in interstate commerce Congress will claim they can regulate it and would likely win over a state's right claim. Now if a gun was wholly made in WI, you used ammo made in WI with components that were made in WI, then your state may be able to say that the feds can't regulate that gun, but that's about as far as that will work.

[Hiram25]

My personal opinion, we need to do away with the Electoral College, so every vote in this country is equal to every other vote. Why should votes in some states be worth more than those in others?

As per the OP, don't know if we would ever get there, but it's an interesting scenario!

[Caertaker]

As I understand it the Electoral College was conceived and implemented to guard against the tyranny of democracy. It is more important than ever now that people have taken to voting themselves a share of the national treasury. My personal opinion is you can tinker and wring your hands and gnash your teeth as much as you want but its over and has been for quite some time. People are just now waking up to the fact.

Quotes from Benjamin Franklin:
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."

[billstaf]

Hey, don't be so quick to write off entire sections of the country. It is true that there are a lot of libs out here on the west coast, but it is equally true that there are a whole bunch of us out here who also like our guns and intend to keep them. I would expect all of you folks in fly-over country to support our gun rights too. Drawing artificial lines won't get you anywhere.

[CanuckQue]

If it's a set of rights that you truly believe in, then wouldn't it make sense to politically fight to keep people under that umbrella?

[MJK]

This idea is neither realistic nor practical. The War Between the States was fought between 1861 and 1865 at the cost of over 600,000 lives to ensure our republic remained united. I believe it has been well-established that secession is not a viable path in these United States. I'm in A. Lincoln's corner on this one.

[Sticks]

...Maybe it's time to separate into individual states or regional alliances similar to Europe. For example the socialist west coast states are a good match with each other, they have sufficient resources. The western mountain states all pretty much think alike except Nevada is full of Californians now. The midwest pretty much sticks together, except for Illinois which can fend for itself I guess. Chicago is lost any way. The South will always stand, and the Northeast could just be quarantined for the good of the hemisphere, except perhaps Vermont, but maybe we could airlift in supplies like Berlin.

What do you think?

I daydreamed a like scenario back in pre 2008 along the same lines. End result was IIRC the original 13 (East coast) a rather large no-mans-land, then the rest of the country, after years of fighting and mass evacuations on both sides trying to get to either side before the walls went up. And the rest of the world watched in morbid fascination as the USA imploded...and at this point, laughing and applauding the whole time as the self proclaimed world police went out of business. Made for good fiction.

[RightsEroding]

For that matter why should people and states be held against their will?

Sounds nice, but alas, the idea presents from a faulty notion that the American people are represented and that those reps do the peoples bidding.
It was once close to this, but no longer.

Maybe it's time to separate into individual states or regional alliances similar to Europe. For example the socialist west coast states are a good match with each other, they have sufficient resources.

A portion of the USSR tried this...Didn't exactly work out too well.

You can't have it both ways...(i.e) Ok with federal aid but NO to anything the state may not like.
We are already deeply divided as a nation; this is precisely what the socialist agenda wanted, and believe it or not, they have made strong headway.
The entitlements continue for every group under the sun as well as forced national care; this too is exactly (Why) we can not get out from under the fist
of this current regime we are under.

..and anything we do should never be compared with anyone else...especially Europe!

[Exacto]

All 50 states have petitions to seceed already with enough signatures to send to the dictator now. So there is an undercurrent of division and it's growing.

[CanuckQue]

In Canada, we have the Quebec Bloc trying to secede, too. We've much different cultures (if we just look at the Bloc advocates), but economically we're much, much more advantaged by not splitting.

[Sticks]

It would be interesting to have border checkpoints at every state line. Passports, papers, visa's, trade agreements...

[palmgopher]

these politians no longer care what the voters want. they go by what they think is better for us. we are nothing but subjects that put them in office if they feed us enough crap. once in office they do just enough to keep us from voting for the other guy and do what they want the rest of the time. oh yeah and the scare the public into doing what we want is working great for the dems. if you vote for republicans they will take away all your free stuff so vote for us and we will give you more free stuff. sad!!!!