Debating Piers Morgan

[cmdrdredd]

The only thing I saw was one idiot talking to another idiot

Did Alex Jone help? Of course not. My son has a couple of friends staying here for college break and they are middle of the road type kids (not anti's, they both hunt) and they thought Alex Jones hurt the 2A crowd.

I've said that around here a few times. Our image, as presented to the antis or public in general means quite a bit. Even if the arguments are sound, the way it's presented and how you say things can make people ignore the argument and focus on you as being crazy.

[DefensiveCarry.com]

[oneshot]

You don't debate an armchair intellectual like Morgan on the virtues of history, or the 2nd Amend, or even self defense.

You have to make it practical. It's like talking to a new gun person about the ergos of guns, when they have never even held one.

That's why I have invited him to come and shoot with me, so that he can see the differences in a single action revolver, , DA revolver, a semi autoloader, or rifle, shooting quickly at multiple targets in a home invasion type senario.

By placing him in a realistic type senario, and allowing him to shoot multiple targets with each weapon, it will give him a feel of what is really going on, and debunk the 10 rounds a second myth that is floating around.

Also by showing him how fast it is to change 10 round mags, and continue firing, this will also show the fallacy in the 30 round mag prohibition.

Of course, even this may not change a made up mind, but it's the only way to allow for an opinion based on facts.

^^^^^^Is this gonna be^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Kinda like having a beer with Joe the plumber @ the Whitehouse?

I would NOT hold my breath for Ms. Morgan to show up.

[Clodbert]

I caved and watched part of his "conversation" with Alex Jones on YouTube. That was embarrassing. Morgan must have known Jones would go off and make a clown of himself. His viewers probably now assume that all gun owners are as boorish and vitriolic as Alex Jones. This worked in Morgan's favor.

[steffen]

The only thing I saw was one idiot talking to another idiot

Did Alex Jone help? Of course not. My son has a couple of friends staying here for college break and they are middle of the road type kids (not anti's, they both hunt) and they thought Alex Jones hurt the 2A crowd.

I find it amazing how the pro 2A croud think that someone who is passionate about protecting the 2A hurts their cause. It just shows how little of a difference there is between the left and the right when it comes to the topic of the 2A.

It sounds like you are saying that its alright for Alex to make his case for the 2A as long as his argument is similar or equal to yours.

[xsigma40cal]

So who won the debate between Alex and Piers?

Meh, tough to say. A better question is how do both sides look after the exchange? Piers got his verbal, and physical {rear end} handed to him, both a credit and a liability on Jones's part. Its plain as day to see that their are sinister forces at work behind the political side of this, but Alex made it a bit difficult for people to want to investigate further into this. Piers has been exposed as the sniveling coward he is, why else would the guy look like a pedophile trying to get a table for one at Chuck E. Cheese in the last last seconds before the segment brake. People are starting to think. Thats what Jones was looking to accomplish in this.

[KoriBustard]

I despise that arrogant, snarky, Piers Morgan. But Alex Jones comes across as a bully whose "debating" technique is basically shouting louder than the other guy. I'm not sure who is worse for us gun owners.

[cmdrdredd]

I find it amazing how the pro 2A croud think that someone who is passionate about protecting the 2A hurts their cause. It just shows how little of a difference there is between the left and the right when it comes to the topic of the 2A.

It sounds like you are saying that its alright for Alex to make his case for the 2A as long as his argument is similar or equal to yours.

No, it's about the image. Too many people ignore the argument and facts presented when they don't like how someone makes the argument. They probably just say "that guy is crazy" and now think everyone is like that.

[suntzu]

I find it amazing how the pro 2A croud think that someone who is passionate about protecting the 2A hurts their cause. It just shows how little of a difference there is between the left and the right when it comes to the topic of the 2A.

It sounds like you are saying that its alright for Alex to make his case for the 2A as long as his argument is similar or equal to yours.

Educate me on where and how I said ANYTHING you posted.

I did not say anything about his content. I said he looked like an idiot which he did. He came across borish and not very bright. Hey, it ain;t just me that thinks that. If you think he helped us then sir you are in a minority it appears. Anyways, whatever comes out of Alex Jones mouth is usually not worth the time of day to listen to. But I do more so for amusement. If you want to start a thread on all of the exaggerations, lies, inaccuracies, false and inaccurate predictions, that have come out of his mouth and Infowars I would love to participate in it.

As far as him or anyone else expressing their opinion I think it is fine. I think that folks that want to sue Feinstein are out there also for her pushing anti gun legislation.

But, again, you explain to me how he helped..

[steffen]

Meh, tough to say. A better question is how do both sides look after the exchange? Piers got his verbal, and physical {rear end} handed to him, both a credit and a liability on Jones's part. Its plain as day to see that their are sinister forces at work behind the political side of this, but Alex made it a bit difficult for people to want to investigate further into this. Piers has been exposed as the sniveling coward he is, why else would the guy look like a pedophile trying to get a table for one at Chuck E. Cheese in the last last seconds before the segment brake. People are starting to think. Thats what Jones was looking to accomplish in this.

Honestly, I think Piers must be having some pretty crappy ratings or he is really evil if he needs to repeatedly bring up tragedy to boost his ratings. To his regular viewers, Piers just hosted another gun nut to go with the 12 other ones he's had in the last few weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if CNN got rid of him within the next year.

Alex, on the other hand, has probably benefitted tremendously from this exchange. The guy managed to bully his way onto live television during the most expensive time slot and got a level of exposure that he could NEVER get close to on his own network.

[ghost tracker]

So who won the debate between Alex and Piers?

Sadly, Piers did. Alex came-off as a braying ass.

[cmdrdredd]

Honestly, I think Piers must be having some pretty crappy ratings or he is really evil if he needs to repeatedly bring up tragedy to boost his ratings. To his regular viewers, Piers just hosted another gun nut to go with the 12 other ones he's had in the last few weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if CNN got rid of him within the next year.

Alex, on the other hand, has probably benefitted tremendously from this exchange. The guy managed to bully his way onto live television during the most expensive time slot and got a level of exposure that he could NEVER get close to on his own network.

Piers Morgan has horrible ratings from what I understand...bottom of the barrel. Alex has really high ratings on his shows. Last night the BCS Championship game was on and they were competing against that. So I don't think the viewership was that great to begin with just from that alone.

Piers is just like the rest of the left, use a tragedy to hammer your point across. Especially sickening since the latest one involves children.

[steffen]

No, it's about the image. Too many people ignore the argument and facts presented when they don't like how someone makes the argument. They probably just say "that guy is crazy" and now think everyone is like that.

The image of a gun-toting maniac is already out there. To the anti's, he's just another one and not all that special.

Educate me on where and how I said ANYTHING you posted.

I did not say anything about his content. I said he looked like an idiot which he did. He came across borish and not very bright. Hey, it ain;t just me that thinks that. If you think he helped us then sir you are in a minority it appears. Anyways, whatever comes out of Alex Jones mouth is usually not worth the time of day to listen to. But I do more so for amusement. If you want to start a thread on all of the exaggerations, lies, inaccuracies, false and inaccurate predictions, that have come out of his mouth and Infowars I would love to participate in it.

As far as him or anyone else expressing their opinion I think it is fine. I think that folks that want to sue Feinstein are out there also for her pushing anti gun legislation.

But, again, you explain to me how he helped..

He offers a connection between the debate on the 2nd Amendment and everything else happening in the world. Do you think we're moving closer to having an Orwellian style state? If your answer is yes or maybe, then it is important to listen to and understand Jones' point of view so you can make an analysis on whether or not he's right. If your answer is a flat out no, then you are just oblivious and can't be helped.

[cmdrdredd]

The image of a gun-toting maniac is already out there. To the anti's, he's just another one and not all that special.

Perhaps, but I'd like to see that image break. I've been doing my part slowly with my circle of friends and family. I'm not a maniac and don't wanted to be painted as such if it's avoidable.

[ghost tracker]

If your answer is a flat out no, then you are just oblivious and can't be helped.

Is that why you're here Steffen? To help us?

[steffen]

Is that why you're here Steffen? To help us?

Nope. I'm here for my entertainment.