Debating Piers Morgan

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckusaret View Post
    Alex jones at least had the gonads to sit across from him in a debate. Do I agree with Alex's delivery, no, but he did bring out some rather good points. The reason the other stations presented a clip of the debate, only a very very small percentage of America watch the Morgan show or that network. Did Alex hurt our effort? Most of us take the opinions of most talk show hosts with a grain of salt, but I would guess his listening audience will show an immediate short term increase.
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    Alex Jones haughty demeanor was what, in his opinion, was required to get his point across and it did. Was it the right way to go? Some say yes some say no, but it did get him and his message a lot of national exposure. Comparing Alex Jones to Howard Dean? Well Jones is a talk show host and outbursts can be expected, it is called an attention getter, and his comments are presented to a totally different audience. On the other hand Dean, as a politician, is expected to be well mannered and professional at all times, but he has proven, on many occasions over the years, to not have done so and has brought embarrassment to himself and to the democratic party. The outburst doing his presidential bid confirmed what many thought, Dean was a nut case and his supporters fled. Of late the democraps shy away from him as if he had the plague.
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    I think we would have been better represented by Ted or maybe Tom Selleck. But of course that is why his producers would never invite them to be on the show. Alex Jones gave Morgan and his people exactly what they were looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckusaret View Post
    Alex Jones haughty demeanor was what, in his opinion, was required to get his point across and it did. Was it the right way to go? Some say yes some say no, but it did get him and his message a lot of national exposure. Comparing Alex Jones to Howard Dean? Well Jones is a talk show host and outbursts can be expected, it is called an attention getter, and his comments are presented to a totally different audience. On the other hand Dean, as a politician, is expected to be well mannered and professional at all times, but he has proven, on many occasions over the years, to not have done so and has brought embarrassment to himself and to the democratic party. The outburst doing his presidential bid confirmed what many thought, Dean was a nut case and his supporters fled. Of late the democraps shy away from him as if he had the plague.
    Yup...Mr Jones does come across as a sane person:
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    suntzu ;Yup...Mr Jones does come across as a sane person
    Why quote my comment? where did I question his sanity or mention that he came across as a sane person?
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    Well Alex Jones is a shock-jock. That is his stick...his hook! Jones is to shock-jock conservatism radio programing what Howard Stern is to shock-jock sexual adult content radio programing.

    This type of behavior is what you should expect to get if you invite Jones on your show. Just like you would expect Stern to be talking about adult sexual content.

    Morgan already knew what to expect. His producer, writing and production staff already discussed this during their budget meeting. He was WELL informed about him well in advance. It's all about the Arbitron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckusaret View Post
    Why quote my comment? where did I question his sanity or mention that he came across as a sane person?
    Just referencing how you said there was a difference between Dean and Jones and how Dean looked like a nut job....
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    Debating Piers Morgan

    He's an asshat
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    Quote Originally Posted by JrFreak View Post
    He's an asshat
    Which one. LOL
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    I found some good counter statistics here:
    Piers Morgan Nailed On Incorrect Gun Homicide Stats | CNS News
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    I found this little tid bit about crime in England:


    * In 1997, Britain passed a law requiring civilians to surrender almost all privately owned handguns to the police. More than 162,000 handguns and 1.5 million pounds of ammunition were "compulsorily surrendered" by February 1998. Using "records of firearms held on firearms certificates," police accounted for all but fewer than eight of all legally owned handguns in England, Scotland. the homicide rate in England and Wales has averaged 52% higher since the outset of the 1968 gun control law and 15% higher since the outset of the 1997 handgun ban.

    What has the confiscation of 162,000 legally registered weapons accomplished? No mention of any illegal weapons being turned in. How about the crime rates increasing by 67% since the the laws were approved and the confiscation of all guns.

    Piers may come across as a gentleman but he has intentionally not been truthful when stating data on crime in England. It is time to inundate CNN with e-mail/letters asking for the removal of Morgan. Based on CNN's continued decrease in the number of viewers each day I am sure that they would be more than happy to review any suggestions on how to stop the loss of viewers
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    Quote Originally Posted by zamboni View Post
    Well Alex Jones is a shock-jock. That is his stick...his hook! Jones is to shock-jock conservatism radio programing what Howard Stern is to shock-jock sexual adult content radio programing.

    This type of behavior is what you should expect to get if you invite Jones on your show. Just like you would expect Stern to be talking about adult sexual content.

    Morgan already knew what to expect. His producer, writing and production staff already discussed this during their budget meeting. He was WELL informed about him well in advance. It's all about the Arbitron.
    Exactly. And if you are looking to advance your anti 2A agenda who better to have on your show to represent your opposition? Jones probably just tripled his name recognition. So he got what he wanted but at what expense? I believe his interests here are actually contrary to ours. If the threat of the jack booted storm troopers goes away so does a large part of his material, and his audience. As long as there are people that refer to us as paranoid extermists etc. he has a guaranteed income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckusaret View Post
    Alex Jones haughty demeanor was what, in his opinion, was required to get his point across and it did. Was it the right way to go? Some say yes some say no, but it did get him and his message a lot of national exposure. Comparing Alex Jones to Howard Dean? Well Jones is a talk show host and outbursts can be expected, it is called an attention getter, and his comments are presented to a totally different audience. On the other hand Dean, as a politician, is expected to be well mannered and professional at all times, but he has proven, on many occasions over the years, to not have done so and has brought embarrassment to himself and to the democratic party. The outburst doing his presidential bid confirmed what many thought, Dean was a nut case and his supporters fled. Of late the democraps shy away from him as if he had the plague.
    Dean showing passion, feeding off the excitement of attending supporters, got emotionally riled up and gave a little shout-out!! What?? Just because your running for political office you can show a little emotion, for what you believe in? Show a little LOVE for your Country? If he was such an embarrassment to the Donkey, how did Joe Biden become VP?

    Now Jones vs Morgan are showman, fighting for viewing aspect ratings. Viewers watch and listeners listen to them to be entertained by these entertainers, masquerading as a normal news, media, radio, and TV hostess.

    OK open mouth and insert foot: How did the poor Donkey become the logo of the Democrats? It's an insult to the intelligence of the Donkey!

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    Debating Piers Morgan

    When the goof ball Morgan says the US has more gun crime does he understand that most of our gun crime is In areas that have the toughest gun laws? Chicago, DC, NYC. He's an idiot.
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    While I posted this before, here:Top ten reasons: For Piers Morgan

    This is how to shut Piers Morgan up...

    Top 10 reasons Piers Morgan should support American citizens possession of "assault weapons" and Extended capacity magazines:

    10: Because "An armed man is a citizen, and an unarmed man is a subject." Surely Piers, if anyone knows it's true, you do ...

    9: Because, although Admiral Yamamoto of the Japanese navy in WWII never said "You cannot invade the mainland United States because there would be a gun behind every blade of grass." It should always be true. And those guns should be able to engage the enemy as well as the enemy's weapons might engage us.

    8: Because, should our government ever become as corrupt as those in Tunisia, Egypt, Syria and Libya; our citizens should never be reduced to using social media with pictures of atrocities, genocides, murder and mayhem perpetrated by the government, hoping for the sympathy of the world's policemen.

    7: Because, if we are to remain the super power we are and also be the world's policeman, with troops deployed in 150 countries around the world, we must never be vulnerable at home. Ordinary citizens may be the last line of defense, just as they are in Switzerland, and somebody has to be able to defend the homeland ... (and remember this one for later, Piers.)

    6: Because 15 year old boys should always be able to protect their homes and their 13 year old sisters when home invaders kick in doors ... with their daddy's ARI5, and after shooting the invader several times with the evil assault weapon ... the perpetrator was able to get to his car and drive off.

    5: Because when our police forces act as cowardly as British Bobbies during the London riots of 2011 just like our own Los Angeles police force did during the Rodney King riots of1992.. It is armed citizens, like those in Koreatown, with assault rifles; who are able to keep the looters, murderers, and arsonists at bay for nearly 24 hours, until the National guard forces finally show up to actually enforce the law.

    4: Because, as looters were given free rein in New Orleans, Louisiana (after Katrina) while the police, in fear of the looters, did nothing; the police chief ordered his force and National guard troops to disarm the law abiding citizens of that city, and parts of the county .. .It must never happen again.

    3: Because of ranchers like Mr Ladd of Arizona, who himself has seen over half a million illegal aliens CAUGHT on his property alone, coming from/through Mexico ... And he knows that Border Patrol agents have not all been beyond corruption, and that many many aliens have been let through the border while heads were turned. And he knows of aliens of 35 different nationalities that have been caught, nationalities which are considered to be a danger to the security of the United States ... and those are only the ones that have been caught.

    2: Piers, this is the real number one reason that the people of this country should not be restricted from having what you and the rest of the anti-gun crowd mistakenly call "assault weapons" and extended magazines for those arms if they wish. But, in deference to your nationality, I've moved it to number two... It's really quite simple:

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    And finally, Piers, the NUMBER ONE REASON ordinary American citizens should be allowed to have assault weapons, and extended mags capable of holding more than 10 rounds; is for this if for no other. ..

    1: Should England's Prime Minister ever again "make a clear appeal to the United States ... " for arms and ammunition as Churchill did in his "fight on the beaches" speech of June 4th 1940; and should the Civilian Committee for Protection of Homes in Birmingham, UK ever again ask the American Committee for Defense of British Homes for pistols, revolvers, shotguns, and binoculars ...

    You might want to again count on the private American Citizens in the United States of America to take pity on you poor sods, and ship guns to you just as we did in 1941 in answer to an advertisement in The American Rifleman... the publication of the National Rifle Association.

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    Because after Dunkirk, there was some genuine concern whether the Brits would be able to defend their homeland should the Nazi's come across the channel.
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    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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