January 8th, 2013 10:49 PM
Got a POTUS reply to Piers Morgan petition. Oddly off topic and disturbing.
Just got this at 1946 tonight EST. Odd that a POTUS response to a petition to boot PM out of the US for attacking the 2A is to defend his upcoming attack on the 2A and by extension the British Boob, although Barry never mentions him by name or otherwise.
Official White House Response to Deport British Citizen Piers Morgan for Attacking 2nd Amendment
When Discussing the Second Amendment, Keep the First in Mind Too
By Jay Carney
Thank you for participating in We the People to speak out on an issue that matters to you.
Let’s not let arguments over the Constitution’s Second Amendment violate the spirit of its First. President Obama believes that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. However, the Constitution not only guarantees an individual right to bear arms, but also enshrines the freedom of speech and the freedom of the press -- fundamental principles that are essential to our democracy. Americans may disagree on matters of public policy and express those disagreements vigorously, but no one should be punished by the government simply because he or she expressed a view on the Second Amendment -- or any other matter of public concern.
We recognize that the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, sparked an intense, and at times emotional, national conversation about the steps we can take as a country to reduce gun violence. In fact, your petition is one of many on the issue, and President Obama personally responded by sharing his views on this important issue.
In a recent press conference, President Obama also addressed the Second Amendment and the important perspective that law-abiding gun owners bring to the public conversation on this issue:
Look, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. This country has a strong tradition of gun ownership that's been handed down from generation to generation. Obviously across the country there are regional differences. There are differences between how people feel in urban areas and rural areas. And the fact is the vast majority of gun owners in America are responsible -- they buy their guns legally and they use them safely, whether for hunting or sport shooting, collection or protection.
But you know what, I am also betting that the majority -- the vast majority -- of responsible, law-abiding gun owners would be some of the first to say that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few from buying a weapon of war. I'm willing to bet that they don't think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas -- that an unbalanced man shouldn't be able to get his hands on a military-style assault rifle so easily; that in this age of technology, we should be able to check someone's criminal records before he or she can check out at a gun show; that if we work harder to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, there would be fewer atrocities like the one in Newtown -- or any of the lesser-known tragedies that visit small towns and big cities all across America every day.
Jay Carney is White House Press Secretary
Tell us what you think about this response and We the People.
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January 8th, 2013 10:52 PM
2nd Biggest Mistake.......re-election.......IMO.
January 8th, 2013 10:55 PM
I cannot listen to the community organizer.
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"I don't believe gun owners have rights." - Sarah Brady
January 8th, 2013 10:56 PM
Can we all say 'Low Information Voters' in unison? I'll buy the first round of drinks (as long as the gathering is <1,000 of us).
January 8th, 2013 11:05 PM
I really don't understand the drama surrounding this British moron. Let him rant and then take his loud mouth back across the pond.....where he belongs. If we're lucky, he'll take some other loud mouthed libs with him.
"Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"
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January 8th, 2013 11:32 PM
I have guns for two reasons: First is for personal protection and the second is this; the Russian people believed in their government just as we do and had no idea their government would turn against them but ...
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"
- - The Gulag Archipelago, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Retired AF pilot, Vietnam FAC 1967-68
January 9th, 2013 12:17 AM
I don't believe Morgan would go back to England for any reason unless he is forced to defend himself against Hacking Charges. I also believe he is short lived in his present job. One can only assume that the companies that advertise on the program do not want to be associated with the controversy. The petition to deport was addressed by Carney but said little in regards to the petition and, IMO, was used to keep the Sandy Hook shooting in the forefront. But over 100,000 signatures does make a statement.
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‘‘We, the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts — not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.’’
— Abraham Lincoln
January 9th, 2013 12:29 AM
From what I understand, this isnt about 1st amendment rights, as Piers is not a U.S citizen, and thus is not guaranteed those rights. I do believe there is Supreme Court precedent that ruled in favor of deporting a foreign national for "actively usurping the Constitution" I just haven't found it yet. He is enjoying the sanctuary of our country, as he is facing charges in England. The least he could do is show thanks by shutting his trap.
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January 9th, 2013 12:33 AM
I'm pretty sure that when someone starts with "I think we can all agree that..." or "I think all law-abiding gun owners can agree that...", they're always wrong.
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet."
-General James Mattis, USMC
January 9th, 2013 12:38 AM
We already have laws for that. One more isn't going to help.
But you know what, I am also betting that the majority -- the vast majority -- of responsible, law-abiding gun owners would be some of the first to say that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few from buying a weapon of war.
Less than 1% of guns used in crime were purchased at gun shows.
We should be able to check someone's criminal records before he or she can check out at a gun show
"Assault Rifles" are used in less than 2% of gun-related crimes. Despite the tragedy of the Newtown Massacre, mass shootings are very rare. Introducing MORE legislation to add on to the already ineffective legislation to prevent one of the most uncommon crimes, is asinine.
If we work harder to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, there would be fewer atrocities like the one in Newtown -- or any of the lesser-known tragedies that visit small towns and big cities all across America every day.
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet."
-General James Mattis, USMC
January 9th, 2013 01:45 AM
HOly crap are you kidding me... 11000 gun killings in 2012 in the USA and I think like 5 of them was "Military Style assualt rifles with high capacity clips" LOL the commander in Fail cant even get it right. They are called magazines you foolish traitor.
More importantly this has NOTHING to do with our request as a nation to remove the criminal scumbag Morgan from our soil. I think we need to petition to have a recall election for the failure that is renting the white house.
"I believe that the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms must not be infringed if liberty in America is to survive." - Ronald Reagan
January 9th, 2013 08:26 AM
Yo..Mr. Obama; any chance we can (ENSHRINE) the 2nd amendment?
but also enshrines the freedom of speech
enshrined past participle, past tense of en·shrine (Verb)
1) Place (a revered or precious object) in an appropriate receptacle.
2) Preserve (a right, tradition, or idea) in a form that ensures it will be protected and respected.
"When those who are governed do too little, those who govern can, and will, do too much." Ronald Reagan
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January 9th, 2013 08:36 AM
Wrong..go back to a civics class LOL.
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January 9th, 2013 08:57 AM
Re: Got a POTUS reply to Piers Morgan petition. Oddly off topic and disturbing.
If someone is considered too dangerous to have access to a weapon, they're too dangerous to be running around loose.
January 9th, 2013 08:58 AM
yeah i think it protects all who dwell within the borders of the US... whether we like it or not.
I mean if we are going to stay true to our founding, ALL men are created equal and ALL men have certain inalienable rights.. thats true whether you are a citizen of this country or not, its just that most every other country restricts and denies those rights, whereas we "try" not to. But the rights still exist, even if denied by governments of the world.
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