My Apologies To Those I Doubted

This is a discussion on My Apologies To Those I Doubted within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by dben002 Let's see what we can get started here....(this should be interesting)....So let me start this exercise by making the following statement. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dben002 View Post
    Let's see what we can get started here....(this should be interesting)....So let me start this exercise by making the following statement. The second amendment gives you the right to bear arms, it does not state or exempt what arms you may bear, therefore if you are allowed to bear any arms, your second amendment rights are in tact and not being infringed upon.........

    agree or disagree with the above statement.
    Disagree. A point of legal interpretation is that a law must stand for something real. If it doesn't, then it's invalid. The people cannot rationally maintain a free society with rocks and sticks when facing a tyrant with drones and rockets. Under the logic you have put forward, above, there is no logical reason for the 2nd Amendment. That being said, who says that any of the three branches cares about what's logical anymore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dben002 View Post
    Let's see what we can get started here....(this should be interesting)....So let me start this exercise by making the following statement. The second amendment gives you the right to bear arms, it does not state or exempt what arms you may bear, therefore if you are allowed to bear any arms, your second amendment rights are in tact and not being infringed upon.........

    agree or disagree with the above statement.
    How about we don't jump the man's thread with other topics, it's kinda rude.
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    Apology accepted. As long as we learn from our mistakes and make different decisions in the future as a result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dben002 View Post
    Let's see what we can get started here....(this should be interesting)....So let me start this exercise by making the following statement. The second amendment gives you the right to bear arms, it does not state or exempt what arms you may bear, therefore if you are allowed to bear any arms, your second amendment rights are in tact and not being infringed upon.........

    agree or disagree with the above statement.
    Why are you jacking my thread?

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    Let's hope its all a farce and you can apologize for this apology
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaDawg View Post
    I beg to differ. Fighters in Afghanistan and Iraq have certainly been able to put up a big fight against our forces over there with IEDs and "Assault Rifles" that we (currently) have access to here. While they have only had hundreds or thousands in their ranks, we could potentially have millions.
    Yes, however, our military is not committed to wining in either theater you mentioned. We seem to have lost the ability to go into a conflict with the idea of total domination and ending the conflict which we could do if we had the will to do so. We fought Vietnam peeking out behind trees(I was there)...We liberated Kuwait as if we knew what the hell we were doing and did it quickly. We stopped short of Baghdad for lack of will to proceed. Our (we the people's) small weapons are no match. Yes they are good for personal and home defense but not much more. And we will never be allowed to own more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaDawg View Post
    Disagree. The intent was specific to arms allowing individuals (the militia) to adequately fight against the government to overthrow it if it becomes tyrannical. If the government only allowed 1700's-styled muskets to be used in order to satisfy the "right to bear arms" while it possessed the most modern arms available, that would not allow reasonable resistance to tyranny that the 2nd Amendment protects.
    Now, I'm not disagreeing. I just want to add what you have stated. Since militia is every able bodied man from age 17 (or 18)-45, the second amendment does more than just prevent tyranny. It allows the populace to be militarily directed in any time of crisis - and be armed in the same fashion as the standing army. This ensures that the military can go off and complete whatever fighting or tasks it needs to accomplish, while the rest of the population can supplement tasks - and be armed while doing so. Again, armed in the same fashion as the standing army.

    It also allows for individual freedom from direct and threatening oppression and violence.

    It is "necessary for the security of a free State".

    Edit: Realized I got sucked off topic. I never have joined the NRA, but I am strongly considering doing so right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dben002 View Post
    Yes, however, our military is not committed to wining in either theater you mentioned. We seem to have lost the ability to go into a conflict with the idea of total domination and ending the conflict which we could do if we had the will to do so. We fought Vietnam peeking out behind trees(I was there)...We liberated Kuwait as if we knew what the hell we were doing and did it quickly. We stopped short of Baghdad for lack of will to proceed. Our (we the people's) small weapons are no match. Yes they are good for personal and home defense but not much more. And we will never be allowed to own more.
    Yes, that was me who reported your hijack to the mods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Why are you jacking my thread?
    You seem to think your 2A rights are being done away with...they are not...I just asked for a discussion. did not intend to hijack your post...will not comment again...it's all yours....
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    Disagree. It was expected that technology would improve and that the arms their referencing would remain equal. Is it your position that we should have a musket and they the latest technology and our 2A rights be intact.
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    Mike - I was wavering back and forth on what I really believed about O's intentions regarding the 2A. I've always been an optimist and tried to see the best in others and not rush to negative judgments, but this attack on the 2A fits perfectly in line with many of the views that he's expressed over time that fly in the face of the traditional American mindset of freedom and equal opportunity, not equal results. I'm convinced now that he is showing his true colors. He has nothing to lose right now and he believes that the people have given him the justification to do anything he wants.
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    Lotus, what do you mean able bodied is 17-45..... with Viagra, older dudes can still pull the trigger
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    Quote Originally Posted by dben002 View Post
    ...I just asked for a discussion. did not intend to hijack your post...will not comment again...it's all yours....
    Round here you do that by starting a thread specific to that discussion.



    It's okay Mike! We've all had the taste of crow one time or another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaDawg View Post
    Mike - I was wavering back and forth on what I really believed about O's intentions regarding the 2A. I've always been an optimist and tried to see the best in others and not rush to negative judgments, but this attack on the 2A fits perfectly in line with many of the views that he's expressed over time that fly in the face of the traditional American mindset of freedom and equal opportunity, not equal results. I'm convinced now that he is showing his true colors. He has nothing to lose right now and he believes that the people have given him the justification to do anything he wants.
    I met the warnings with ever-increasing skepticism regarding the intentions of those sounding the alarm. Unfortunately, as it turns out, those warnings were acutely accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    I have been receiving warnings for from our friends at the NRA and elsewhere regarding Obama's plan to destroy the Second Amendment after his re-election. I doubted them. In that, I was wrong, and for that, I apologize.
    I'm glad you've seen the light and appreciate your apology. It takes a real man to admit when he's wrong these days.

    BTW, you certainly weren't alone in your beliefs.

    I've read countless posts since 2008 on several good gun forums from folks who stated things like "Obama didn't do anything about gun control in his first term, so he won't in his second."

    It's not too late for you to write your government reps, tell them you oppose any more gun laws, link to do so :Ruger - Protect Your Rights

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