October 21st, 2006 11:35 AM
Costco Bans Guns
Costco Bans Guns
From the great web page: http://www.keepandbeararms.com
Fellow newslinks editor Bruce Kraft learned the hard way about Costco's gun ban. Below is his story.
Mark A. Taff
"Here is the longer version of events, as I posted on the local carry forum:
We were on our way to the Renaissance Festival site to finish picking stuff up, and make sure that the refrigerator was properly cleaned, etc. so we decided to go to the Eden Prairie CostCo, instead of the one in Coon Rapids which is where we normally shop. It was cool outside, so I was wearing a heavy flannel shirt over my polo shirt and shoulder holster. I was carrying my usual Para-Ordnance P-14, with a stainless finish. As we came in I flashed the membership card to the greeter, and paused to take off my flannel shirt. We spent about 35 minutes in the store, going all the way through, down most of the aisles. No one said anything.
We arrived at the registers, and got rung out. I paid, and as we are getting ready to head out, Brian came up and said that "for the comfort and safety" of their employees and guests, he asked that I leave my gun outside.
I said "No problem, sorry if I caused any fuss." I then asked if this was the policy of the Eden Prairie store, or a company-wide policy. He said it was company policy. I asked if I could get some sort of written statement or copy of the policy, because there were 35,000 permit holders in the state of Minnesota alone who were going to want to know about it.
Oh, and since they didn't want me in their store could they please return my groceries. Brian said "Oh, no, your perfectly welcome to shop here, we just" at which point I cut him off saying "You just asked me to leave, so obviously I am *not* welcome here, and neither is my money." (I have played out scenarios like this in my mind for several years, it was gratifying that he kept giving me all the right straight lines).
So he took my receipt and said he would return the groceries. This was made a little more difficult because I paid with an ATM card, so they couldn't just refund it the way you do a credit card, he had to pull cash out of the safe (but more about that later).
The other guy I talked to, whose name I never caught came out with a copy of the policy, except it looked like it was the body of an e-mail that had been sent out to someone. I had a line at the top saying PRINT ON LETTERHEAD and no name or signature at the bottom.
I asked if I could get something on letterhead, or at least with a real live person's signature on it, so they disappeared into the back office again.
Brian returned with my money, but apparently was frightened of me, because he gave the cash to Dianne (my fiancee). She noticed this, and said she could barely keep from laughing, because he wouldn't even look at me (even though I was standing about 6 inches from her) and his hand was shaking as he counted the money back. For those of you who don't know me, I am 6'4", 340 pounds with a shaved head and about 4 inches of beard. And my surgeon said I had the biggest chest cavity she had ever worked in. So I guess even without a .45 in my armpit I am a little intimidating.
At this point Other Guy showed up again, and I asked him why there was any sort of "safety" issue with my carrying in the store. He replied that they didn't know anything about me, except that I had a gun. Oh, bless him, another perfect straight line.
"But you do know things about me. By virtue of my having a permit to carry a weapon, you know that I have never been convicted of a felony, or even a violent misdemeanor in the last 10 years. You know that I don't have any drug or alcohol addiction, and no history of mental problems. And you know that my county sheriff doesn't consider me a threat to myself or others. Do you know all of that about any of your other customers?"
He had no reply. After about a half-hour, I got tired of waiting, and left with the assurance that they would mail me a copy of the letter on company letterhead."
"BTW, their letter is misleading, I never raised the issue of civil rights, because I firmly believe that companies have every right to ban whomever they please, I just think it is not fair for them to hide the fact."
You can read a pdf of the letter Costco sent to Bruce.
"We at Costco welcome your feedback." -- www.costco.com
What a grand idea! Call Costco at 1-800-774-2678 and give them your feedback on their gun ban policy.
October 21st, 2006 12:14 PM
This must be new. Last info I had was that Costco as a corporation did not require this, they let the manager of each store do it. I have been in many Costcos in my travels and have yet to encounter one that is posted for public CHP. State laws typically require posting for a CHP ban to be in effect for a store. Here in Misery the size of the sign and lettering is stipulated in the code. I was at Costco just this week and searched for any sign to no avail. I did find that the Costco in Winchester, VA had a posting on their employee bulletin board. I shopped there a lot ($5K per year minimum) so I asked the manager about it. She said that applied to employees only. While I didn't agree with that either it didn't apply to me so I let it go. When you get the letter please post it up. I searched their website and came up empty.
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October 21st, 2006 12:23 PM
You can read a pdf of the letter Costco sent to Bruce here:
October 21st, 2006 12:28 PM
here is an email posted over on THR in its form as it is there
-------- Original Message --------
From: - Fri Oct 13 09:26:03 2006
Delivery-date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:16:55 -0600
Received: from [22.214.171.124] (helo=mx1a.costco.com) by megs10.100mwh.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYNqI-0000GA-Pp for firstname.lastname@example.org
; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:16:54 -0600
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Message-ID: <5360588.1160748989803.JavaMail.EGAINsvc@msg00099p 04>
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14
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From: Costco MemberServices <email@example.com>
Subject: Re: Warehouse Questions or Suggestions [#37946]
Thank you for your email to Costco Wholesale.
In reference to your inquiry on our policy disallowing the carrying of firearms in our warehouse stores.
Costco does not believe that it is necessary for firearms to be brought into its warehouse stores, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. For the protection of all our members and employees, we feel this is a reasonable and prudent precaution to ensure a pleasant shopping experience and safe workplace. Our policy is meant to protect our members and employees in all warehouses around the world. This is not a new policy and we do not customize the policy for each individual city/county/state/country where we do business.
Bringing a firearm into our warehouse does not enhance the shopping experience. We are sorry the message you are hearing is that “we don’t want you.” It is the firearms that we exclude in the warehouses, not the carriers.
Costco Wholesale Corporation
the costco thread over there is at http://thehighroad.org/showthread.ph...ghlight=costco and is running to 4 pages now or so ..
I dont normaly cross post forum links , but this one may well be worth a look at .
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October 21st, 2006 12:46 PM
Yep, their anti! I won't shop there. They also could care less if you email them about it, they will send what is above and put some stupid spin on it that they ban the gun's not the customers. What they don't get is they are banning customers that carry.
I hope we can boycott them enough to wear they are ran out of business or change there policies regarding this.
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October 21st, 2006 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by Angio333
I asked if I could get some sort of written statement or copy of the policy, because there were 35,000 permit holders in the state of Minnesota alone who were going to want to know about it.
... I asked him why there was any sort of "safety" issue with my carrying in the store. He replied that they didn't know anything about me, except that I had a gun. "But you do know things about me. By virtue of my having a permit to carry a weapon, you know that I have never been convicted of a felony, or even a violent misdemeanor in the last 10 years. You know that I don't have any drug or alcohol addiction, and no history of mental problems. And you know that my county sheriff doesn't consider me a threat to myself or others. Do you know all of that about any of your other customers?"
Now, off to Sportsman's Warehouse ... after passing by Costco ... where they (S.W.) don't ask me to disarm.
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the number of victims?
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October 21st, 2006 01:23 PM
Costco is a major importer of items made in the Peoples Republic of China (i.e., made by slave labor) along with Wal-Mart.
Now that both have declared their willing compliance with the socialist-fascist inspired ideology that only "the police" should have guns...why continue to shop there?
Is your love of the Second Amendment just lip service?
Does "they can have my guns when they pry them from my cold dead fingers" become moot when it costs a few precious $$$ more to shop where your RIGHT to defend yourself is honored?
Recognizing that the vast majority of Americans are sheeple and will not even notice this new curtailment of their RIGHT to be armed, I am reminded of what Samuel Adams once so eloquently stated:
"If ye love wealth greater than Liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
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October 21st, 2006 05:20 PM
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If Costco has a corporate policy banning firearms in their stores, then the Costco store in Kalispell, Montana, is ignoring the policy. There are no signs posted anywhere. Even if there were signs posted, I would ignore them. Concealed is concealed, after all.
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October 21st, 2006 06:14 PM
wont be hard for me to stop going there i never started going there
October 21st, 2006 08:53 PM
I'm with this, just saved me from the trouble of ever getting a membership.
Originally Posted by Bud White
October 22nd, 2006 01:39 AM
I am gonna have to go to the local Costco and ask for a membership form. I do need to see if it asks if you carry a weapon you can't shop there.
You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
October 22nd, 2006 01:54 AM
Utah doesn't permit businesses to ban weapons. They can put signs up all they want, but it doesn't make it against "State law". You always have the "armed trespassing" issue if they ask you to leave and you don't.
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October 22nd, 2006 03:34 AM
That really sucks, they were talking about a Costco being built in our local city.
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October 22nd, 2006 05:47 AM
Haven't seen any signs here... don't plan on looking.
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October 22nd, 2006 09:25 PM
Don't see them at the Costco I shop at...however, I am carrying concealed...
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