Virginia Senator Mark Warner may be turning
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January 16th, 2013 09:38 PM
Virginia Senator Mark Warner may be turning
Wrote to the Senator last week requesting his opposition to new gun laws. His response appears below. The second paragraph is alluding to support of more gun control measures. I believe the man just lost my vote.
If you live in Virginia, I urge you to write an email and call his office expressing displeasure with his potential support of additional gun control measures. Make your voice known in the fight.
Thank you for contacting me to share your thoughts on the tragic events in Newtown, Connecticut and your views on gun control.
On December 14, 2012, 20 innocent children and six adults lost their lives in one of the worst, most tragic shootings to ever occur in the United States. As a parent of three daughters, this was the ultimate nightmare. Like the Virginia Tech and Columbine shootings, this tragedy unfolded in what was once regarded as a safe haven free of crime and violence: a school.
I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment constitutional right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms. I own firearms and I have an "A" rating from the National Rifle Association. However, I also recognize that, like with many of our constitutional rights, our Second Amendment rights are not without limits. It is unfortunate that a tragedy of this magnitude is what is needed to prompt action, but we need to have a serious discussion on how to best avoid these kinds of mass shootings in the future. The status quo is not acceptable.
I believe our discussion should cover many issues. We can start by improving the existing criminal background check system. Currently, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is woefully incomplete, with many states failing to submit available records on persons who may be disqualified from purchasing or possessing firearms. With a more complete background check system, we can keep firearms out of the hands of those who have been deemed unfit to possess them.
In addition, we can take common sense measures such as passing the CAMPUS Safety Act (S. 3682), which I introduced last year. That bill would establish a national center for campus public safety within the Department of Justice to serve as a resource center and assist schools and universities in developing campus safety plans and threat assessment tools. We also need to look at changes to our mental health system so we can provide help to those with dangerous mental illnesses before it is too late. There will not be a single solution, but all of these issues and others need to be part of the conversation and I urge you to continue to express your views as we move forward.
Again, thank you for contacting me. For further information or to sign up for my newsletter please visit my website at http://warner.senate.gov.
MARK R. WARNER
United States Senator
January 16th, 2013 09:45 PM
Yep, sounds just like our WV Senator Manchin's early responses. Now he has thrown us under the bus. (see thread, "Say it ain't so, Joe) Obama is putting lots of pressure on these guys. We have to keep hammering them about the real meaning of the 2nd Amendment. It has nothing to do with hunting!
January 16th, 2013 09:46 PM
Re: Virginia Senator Mark Warner may be turning
He started losing me at "However" in the third paragraph...
Oh, and send both of the above a postcard...
It could be worse!
January 16th, 2013 09:53 PM
here's my CAMPUS safety act...
If you are deemed responsible enough to carry a firearm outside of school. The mall, the park, restaurants, department stores etc. Then you are deemed responsible enough to carry ON campus as well. Nothing changes in a person when they cross an invisible line onto a school.
I guess I'm crazy eh?
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January 16th, 2013 10:05 PM
IMHO, in the third paragraph "our 2ndAmendment rights are not without limits" he will cave to what ever restrictions they put on the table. To make maters worse in the fifth paragraph he wants to add another department to our now oversized government in DC.
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We, the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.
January 16th, 2013 10:14 PM
I wrote him also & I believe I received an almost identical letter.
I think he is more loyal to his party than he is to the Constitution or to the State/people he represents.
January 16th, 2013 10:43 PM
Sorry, bub, but you don't get it.
Originally Posted by Temporarily-elected person's comments (aka Senator M. Warner, D-VA)
The 1A says, in part, that: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech ..." There is NOTHING in there about inherent prohibition against saying something. Which isn't to say that IF overt harm to another is caused by the speech that it cannot be gone after via the laws, but that is something entirely different having to do about recompense for harms, not prohibiting speech. Rational, prudent and common-sense.
The 2A says, in part: "... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Likewise, there is NOTHING in there about inherent prohibition against the purchasing, owning, transporting or carrying something others don't like, merely because they don't like them, IN THE ABSENCE of any harms to anyone.
In the case of the 2A, there is no comparison with similar 1A-related penalties for harms due to improper speech (libel, slander, unprovoked threats, etc), at least in terms of the weaponry, ammo or related products themselves, nor technically regarding the mere carrying of weaponry (despite the fact many go faint at the mere sight of such things).
The equivalent penalties here (for crimes involving weaponry) would be things like murder, robbery, rape and other outright harms to innocents via the use or threat of use of a weapon. And those harms are already criminal acts, irrespective of whether any weaponry happens to be used. It's the murder, robbery, rape that is the harm ... not merely owning or possessing certain weaponry.
In short, Ford didn't enable murder because they build cars, nor is Ford responsible for murders; only the murderer is. Having acquired a Ford and garaged it doesn't a murderer make.
Mr. Warner, you just don't get it. On this issue of eviscerating the Second Amendment, you're about the power and control over the People, not about upholding and defending the Constitution as you swore you would do, not about ensuring the RIGHT to keep and bear arms is held sacrosanct as it was intended.
January 17th, 2013 09:20 AM
I got the same response from him. With Obama's actions yesterday, its time for another round of letters from me
January 17th, 2013 09:48 PM
I got the same letter in answer to my email. At least he doesn't claim to be a conservative.
Still don't know how he keeps getting A ratings on gun rights, though.
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January 17th, 2013 10:16 PM
That's 100% correct. He is party above principle. Even though Virginia enacted legislation prior to Obamacare that the federal government could not mandate a citizen of the state to purchase anything, he still voted for it. The role of a US Senator is to represent the legislature of his / her state. That is job #1. In this, he failed...epically.
Originally Posted by SigPapa226
I'm a firm believer in we ought to repeal the 17th amendment and this is a perfect example.
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January 17th, 2013 10:23 PM
Well.. there is "no fence" to sit on anymore...... several representatives will be "outed" , and hopefully will be voted out as a result in the next election cycle. Recall peititions also get their attention really quick.
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Chief Justice John Roberts : "I don't see how you can read Heller and not take away from it the notion that the Second Amendment...was extremely important to the framers in their view of what liberty meant."
January 17th, 2013 11:01 PM
Re: Virginia Senator Mark Warner may be turning
I have written him at least 5 times and I've gotten the same type of responses. Cookie cutter, "I know what I'm doing", responses.
The last letter I wrote him, I told him that "we" will be watching how he votes and if he isn't part of the answer, he's part of the problem, and that "we" will be watching how he votes and if he doesn't stand with us on this, he can expect a pink slip next election.
I also asked him what part of, "shall not be infringed", does he not understand?
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January 17th, 2013 11:13 PM
A lot of our Congressmen ar more loyal to their party than to the Constitution or to the State/people they represents
we just have to remember them on election day, I would never, never vote for any one who goes against he 2nd amendment
January 17th, 2013 11:22 PM
Don't forget he's up for reelection in 2014.
Don't believe what you hear and only half of what you see!
January 18th, 2013 02:48 PM
This line says it all:
The left & the antis really believe that just because you make a law that says 'GUN-FREE ZONE', that it will be this safe utopia with no bad guys with guns.
Like the Virginia Tech and Columbine shootings, this tragedy unfolded in what was once regarded as a safe haven free of crime and violence: a school......
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