Why should police be exempt from laws, mag limits?

Why should police be exempt from laws, mag limits?

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    Why should police be exempt from laws, mag limits?

    Gun owners wonder why police should get special treatment

    Police in New York are having fits about suddenly being penalized by a hastily-written gun law, and they have company in Washington State, where a new policy banning firearms carried by off-duty law enforcement officers has been enacted at CenturyLink Field.

    Gun owners wonder why police should get special treatment - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com


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    Re: Why should police be exempt from laws, mag limits?

    Working together, the gun folks and law enforcement. Good idea. Of course, the opposition will say that we will end up with a police state.

    Well, a police state is always a danger from all sides and we need to be vigilant to not let that happen, but we can still work together on common issues when we can.
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    Do away with limits and there's no issue regarding special treatment. I believe that EVERYONE including citizens, police, and retired police should be able to legally be on a level playing field with the criminals. Limits only favor the criminals and give them an advantage. Crazy.
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    The question seems silly to me when you consider the duties of their job and the sort of people they deal with. They
    have responsibilities most of us don't.

    Sorry, I work out or hang out with several cops and although I'm often critical of many police practices, I want
    the good guys to get home safely at night.
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    Re: Why should police be exempt from laws, mag limits?

    It's true, the regular people ought to have the same weapons as the police because they're exposed to the same criminal element.

    And unfortunately, the regular people run into the criminals first, then the police come.



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    Why should police be exempt from laws, mag limits?

    Do you go looking for criminals for a living? If not don't compare yourself with working officers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RonM0710 View Post
    Do you go looking for criminals for a living? If not don't compare yourself with working officers.


    Lets Be Careful Out There!
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    Thats worth repeating.

    Not that I favor limiting anyones (law abiding) abilities, but come on now. Apples and oranges....
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    Re: Why should police be exempt from laws, mag limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by RonM0710 View Post
    Do you go looking for criminals for a living? If not don't compare yourself with working officers.


    Lets Be Careful Out There!
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    Regular folk don't go looking for criminals, but they're targeted by the criminals.

    It's a cycle. The bad guy targets good guy, then the police go looking for bad guy.

    So if folks are dealing with the same criminal class, why shouldn't they have the same gear? Isn't this already a consideration? A lot of people figure whatever works well for the pros will also work for average Joes, so they carry similar guns, loaded with similar ammo.

    Stupid legislation like this that restricts citizens and exempts law enforcement only serves to further divide the good guys. The cops and the regular Joes should be on the same side; fighting against crime together, in their respective ways.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Thats worth repeating.

    Not that I favor limiting anyones (law abiding) abilities, but come on now. Apples and oranges....
    You'll likely not agree with me Sixto, but it is also worth repeating when we discuss issues such as high cap.

    I want my friends and neighbors who are in law enforcement to have the deck loaded in their favor. I don't want a citizen's arms race with the police, and that is what we have now to some degree.
    Anyone see this?
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    What if the guy in this story was a nut instead of a demonstrator? I don't want you guys having to deal with
    that. I don't want more of what has happened when folks decked out like that aren't mentally there, and
    I certainly don't think his stunt is helping any of the responsible gun owners in this country. Neither are comments
    such as in post 5 which seek to make a case by comparing things that aren't comparable.

    A few more demonstrations like this and you better believe that 2A or not, your legislators and The Supremes will take them away. And no kidding, folks who resist won't be successful no matter how many officers post here that they won't obey this or that order.

    Let's get smart about protecting our rights.

    I swear, we are our own worst enemy when it comes to making a case for ourselves; at least that dude at Penny's is.

    Sorry if this rant is a thread hijack, its not intended that way. Just trying to emphasize that I want you guys to have
    a chance. We owe you that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonM0710 View Post
    Do you go looking for criminals for a living? If not don't compare yourself with working officers.


    Lets Be Careful Out There!
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    No I dont. But im likely to have to deal with the same criminal with the same intent and level of armament as LEO before they do if Im attacked.
    By the same token I havent had and wont have a badge and uniform to dissuade the BG on sight from attacking me. Nor while dealing with the BG will I have four partners armed, cannines, helicopters, swat, etc etc as LEO will when they finally go looking for the BG that made a corpse out of me. Or you.
    In any common sense way of thinking, a citizen should be as well armed as any LEO since he will likely face the threat ALONE. LEO do have a disadvantage when doing speeding stops etc but with PD policy changing rapidly that is also becoming a thing of the past even in rural areas. 100 percent of the time if LEO feels at all uneasy there will be back up crusiers on the spot in minutes before they even make contact beyond pulling the vehicle over.
    Last but not least when LEO is looking for criminals the criminals are trying to get away. With the average citizen the BG starts the encounter by choice on his terms. Most definitely should citizens be able to carry anything LE is able too.
    None of this is to indicate disrespect for LEO just plain common sense.
    Apples and oranges yes. But in reverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveWorkman View Post
    Gun owners wonder why police should get special treatment

    Police in New York are having fits about suddenly being penalized by a hastily-written gun law, and they have company in Washington State, where a new policy banning firearms carried by off-duty law enforcement officers has been enacted at CenturyLink Field.

    Gun owners wonder why police should get special treatment - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com
    Because the "elites" need to be protected and their guards need more bullets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigPapa226 View Post
    Because the "elites" need to be protected and their guards need more bullets.
    The people you are derisively calling "the elites" are your neighbors, your family members, your friends, your associates.
    Everyone agrees there are bad apples, but I am not going to call the guys I know elites. They are hard working
    good guys doing a lousy dangerous job--- for me.

    I won't list examples because I don't want to give anyone specific information on who I am and where I live,
    so let's leave it at I like the guys I know who work in LE. Every last one of the 6 I deal with are good kind decent
    family people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    The people you are derisively calling "the elites" are your neighbors, your family members, your friends, your associates.
    Everyone agrees there are bad apples, but I am not going to call the guys I know elites. They are hard working
    good guys doing a lousy dangerous job--- for me.

    I won't list examples because I don't want to give anyone specific information on who I am and where I live,
    so let's leave it at I like the guys I know who work in LE. Every last one of the 6 I deal with are good kind decent
    family people.
    Everyone here supports the LEs. The ones that are the problem (the "elites) are the politicos that think they are better than the rest of us and want to control the rest of us, and yes disarm us because we are ordinary people & not part of the ruling "elites". People like Obummer, Bloomberg, Cuomo they are the elites that are trying to control the rest of us with their ideals of a Socialist Utopia. Who do you identify with?

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    One more and Im out of this one. Its very simple. LE and government officals should have to live under the laws they impose on the rest of us. If that were the case there would not be so many nanny state ignorant and utterly senseless laws concerning a host of issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigPapa226 View Post
    Everyone here supports the LEs. The ones that are the problem (the "elites) are the politicos that think they are better than the rest of us and want to control the rest of us, and yes disarm us because we are ordinary people & not part of the ruling "elites". People like Obummer, Bloomberg, Cuomo they are the elites that are trying to control the rest of us with their ideals of a Socialist Utopia. Who do you identify with?
    Well you are conflating two different things, and in any case earlier in this thread (I can go back and find the post if you really
    like) a participant was referring to police as "elites." The participant clearly stated he didn't think the police should have better weapons than the citizenry because they are "elites." SO, now on to the stuff about our political leaders.

    The mayor of my community of 100,000 people is no elite, just an ordinary civic minded person. I know that because I've known
    the mayor for 40 years. I don't currently know my state legislators, but they do come from the ranks of ordinary people. Now,
    obviously the successful ones climb the ladder to higher and higher office until they are less and less known to the people
    from which they came; that doesn't make them monarchs, dictators, Hitlers, tyrants. If they are high enough to be considered
    elites, fine for them and for us that good people went to the trouble. I want them protected and safe. I've no problem with
    the President having armed security (I remember sadly the Kennedy assassination and the Reagan shooting). I've no problem
    with their kids getting special protection--- they couldn't serve us if they weren't sure their families were safe.

    Now, the real elites around here are the Athletic Director and Head Coach--- and when they get security no one complains.
    If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
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