Massachusetts Proposal (Off the Charts Nuts)

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    Massachusetts Proposal (Off the Charts Nuts)

    Linsky Files Gun Violence Legislation - Natick, MA Patch

    Provisions in the bill include:

    Having one standard of the issuance of all gun licenses, giving local police chiefs the ability to evaluate all aspects of an application for a gun license.

    Requires proof of liability insurance for possession of a firearm, rifle or shotgun.

    Requires that all large capacity weapons and grandfathered assault weapons must be stored at gun clubs or target ranges.

    Requires live shooting as part of the curriculum for a basic firearms safety course; this is not a current requirement.

    Requires all applicants for gun licenses and FID cards to sign a waiver of mental health records for review to be destroyed after decision.

    Imposes 25% sales tax on ammunition, firearms, shotguns, and rifles; dedicates funds towards firearms licensing, police training, mental health services, and victim’s services.

    Brings Massachusetts into compliance with the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

    Limits gun buyers to one firearm purchase per month.
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    Thats why I moved to NH. Its been pretty bad there for a long time. But now it's like these states are competing for the blue ribbon in ridiculousness.
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    Just another reason why I left MA and have never gone back....
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    No words. Just disbelief. If the residents of MA allow this, my goodness we're all in for a hell of a ride. If this wildfire keeps up spreading through states where will guns be legal? Texas? Maybe Wyoming and Montana?

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    So how many break-ins are we predicting for those gun ranges where large caches of weapons will be stored?
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    Why didn't he go ahead and ask to hire magic fairies to monitor every weapon owner and report any angry thoughts.
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    So how many break-ins are we predicting for those gun ranges where large caches of weapons will be stored?
    Don't you get it...it's a job stimulus package! There will need to be thousands of armed guards to watch over these caches of weapons. Oh wait...I bet armed guards are illegal too? Carry on criminals

    I seriously think the proposers of these laws need to undergo the same mental screening that they suggest implementing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExactlyMyPoint View Post
    I have had several job offers to work in New England. I just laugh.
    New England?...Vermont and New Hampshire are 2 of the most gun friendly states in country. Maine is up there
    too. I would say Rhode Island and Mass are the only tough states. And those states politics' are controlled by Boston and Providence, while the rest of those states are hunting country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckNekkid View Post
    Linsky Files Gun Violence Legislation - Natick, MA Patch

    Provisions in the bill include:

    Having one standard of the issuance of all gun licenses, giving local police chiefs the ability to evaluate all aspects of an application for a gun license.

    Requires proof of liability insurance for possession of a firearm, rifle or shotgun.

    Requires that all large capacity weapons and grandfathered assault weapons must be stored at gun clubs or target ranges.

    Requires live shooting as part of the curriculum for a basic firearms safety course; this is not a current requirement.

    Requires all applicants for gun licenses and FID cards to sign a waiver of mental health records for review to be destroyed after decision.

    Imposes 25% sales tax on ammunition, firearms, shotguns, and rifles; dedicates funds towards firearms licensing, police training, mental health services, and victim’s services.

    Brings Massachusetts into compliance with the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

    Limits gun buyers to one firearm purchase per month.
    So let's apply some comparable rules to the exercise of one other freedom guaranteed by the Bill of Rights:

    - have one standard for what news is fit to print
    - show proof of insurance against claims of libel
    - keep PCs, tablets, smart phones and similar devices locked up in libraries
    - require proof of competence with the written word before granting a license to publish (this is not a current requirement, we see proof every day!)
    - impose a 25% tax on sales of paper, ink, writing utensils, printer cartridges and internet access
    - limit editors and columnists to one article published, broadcast or televised per month

    Hard to believe that Lexington and Concord, the original Tea Party, Paul Revere and Breed's Hill were all in Massachusetts. What a sorry state of affairs, and what a moving example of what single-party rule can do.
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    I love Smitty's list of 'comparable rules.' Right on! If you could get people to really wrap their brains around that, it sure would help them see what they are asking proponents of the Second to give up!

    Unfortunately, my brother and his wife live in Mass. and I think we will obliged to visit them there from time to time. But, at least they usually come back to MI for holidays and such. Shame about NY, too. I love the Adirondacks and usually have a great time in Manhattan. Oh, well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX expat View Post
    Why didn't he go ahead and ask to hire magic fairies to monitor every weapon owner and report any angry thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    So let's apply some comparable rules to the exercise of one other freedom guaranteed by the Bill of Rights:

    - have one standard for what news is fit to print
    - show proof of insurance against claims of libel
    - keep PCs, tablets, smart phones and similar devices locked up in libraries
    - require proof of competence with the written word before granting a license to publish (this is not a current requirement, we see proof every day!)
    - impose a 25% tax on sales of paper, ink, writing utensils, printer cartridges and internet access
    - limit editors and columnists to one article published, broadcast or televised per month
    And the survey says....DING!

    But we're not talking about the first amendment. It has not killed anyone, especially 20 children in one day in one school.
    They won't see the light until they [Govt] start coming after something they have. Even the ones who advocate completely getting rid of the COTUS and BoR don't get the fact that the 1st, 4th and 5th are a pretty big part of their current right to gripe about the 2nd.
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    Pathetic, that MA citizens have allowed their state to become so corrupted from the original.

    Pathetic, that we all have allowed to come to pass what we see all around us.

    Time to stand for what's right and just, against these tyrants and moral eviscerators.


    Requires proof of liability insurance for possession of a firearm, rifle or shotgun.
    100% forfeiture of all assets in the case of conviction would solve that, on a person-by-person basis, without penalizing upstanding citizens for the actions of a few. Funding-wise.

    But then, assuming they get convicted and serve the terms of their sentences, criminals are already held liable.

    Creating "deep pockets" that upstanding citizens have to pay for serves only to sidestep the cause of such problems. Taxation by any other name.

    Proposed: that there should be proof of liability insurance on file for anyone daring to own or speak in front of a microphone, or wield a pen, or write an article to be read by others, or post a story/opinion piece to a media organization, or ... Call it a "muzzle tax."


    Requires that all large capacity weapons and grandfathered assault weapons must be stored at gun clubs or target ranges.
    Which will provide incentive to criminals to begin targeting burglaries/robberies of such club/range caches.


    Requires live shooting as part of the curriculum for a basic firearms safety course; this is not a current requirement.
    IMO, this makes a lot of sense, if a given state is in fact going to require some measure of competency training for folks.

    But then, the 2A doesn't say anything about arms-only-if-proves-competent. It's just as anti-2A to have this requirement as anything else, it seems to me, essentially turning a "right" into a "permit" (only if approved by the state). That simply can't be Constitutional.


    Imposes 25% sales tax on ammunition, firearms, shotguns, and rifles; dedicates funds towards firearms licensing, police training, mental health services, and victim’s services.
    If covering the costs of victimization were the goal, the focus would be on covering the costs of such things from confiscation/forfeiture of the criminals and erasure of the criminals from our midst. Not charging fees to everyone OTHER THAN the criminals based on some farcical claim that such people are contributing to crimes/violence.

    If covering the failed/blown budgets of police departments in cities that can't fund them properly is the goal, then call it a tax and raise it on everyone accordingly.

    If burned-eyeballs-via-cigarettes were a problem, taxing folks buying cigarettes wouldn't stop the criminals using cigarettes to burn people's eyeballs. At best, it would simply dare suggest citizens pay for crimes against them. That'll never, ever make sense.


    Limits gun buyers to one firearm purchase per month.
    Oh, that'll help straw purchasers who funnel huge numbers of guns to others. And it'll keep folks out of the gun collecting hobby. And it'll thwart the family that wants to acquire a couple of guns for family use. But it won't stop the criminal who's bent on being criminal, harming others, irrespective of how many weapons that criminal opts to use for a given crime.


    Hm, on second thought, perhaps these proposals don't make much sense. On third thought, perhaps they're downright looney in conception. Pointless and vindictive, addressing fringes of symptoms instead of anything near the causes of the problem: criminality, criminals and their ability to remain in our midst.


    The proposers (poseurs) in MA and elsewhere need to revisit the Constitution and its purpose: The Founders' Constitution -- preamble, articles, supporting documents and arguments.
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