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Utah Sheriff's Association Writes Letter to the President

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    The Honorable Barack Obama
    President of the United States of America
    The White House
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
    Washington, DC 20500

    Dear President Obama:

    We, the elected sheriffs of Utah, like so many of our fellow Americans, are literally heartbroken for the loved ones of the murdered victims in Connecticut. As Utahans, we are not strangers to this kind of carnage—one of the latest being the 2007 Trolley Square murders wherein nine innocents were gunned down—five losing their lives.

    We also recognize the scores of other recent domestic massacres, which have decimated countless honorable lives. As Americans, we value the sanctity of life. Furthermore, similar to our inspired Founders, we acknowledge our subservience to a higher power.

    With the number of mass shootings America has endured, it is easy to demonize firearms; it is also foolish and prejudiced. Firearms are nothing more than instruments, valuable and potentially dangerous, but instruments nonetheless. Malevolent souls, like the criminals who commit mass murders, will always exploit valuable instruments in the pursuit of evil. As professional peace officers, if we understand nothing else, we understand this: lawful violence must sometimes be employed to deter and stop criminal violence. Consequently, the citizenry must continue its ability to keep and bear arms, including arms that adequately protect them from all types of illegality.

    As your administration and Congress continue to grapple with the complex issue of firearm regulations, we pray that the Almighty will guide the People’s Representatives collectively. For that reason, it is imperative this discussion be had in Congress, not silenced unilaterally by executive orders. As you deliberate, please remember the Founders of this great nation created the Constitution, and its accompanying Bill of Rights, in an effort to protect citizens from all forms of tyrannical subjugation.

    We respect the Office of the President of the United States of America. But, make no mistake, as the duly-elected sheriffs of our respective counties, we will enforce the rights guaranteed to our citizens by the Constitution. No federal official will be permitted to descend upon our constituents and take from them what the Bill of Rights—in particular Amendment II—has given them. We, like you, swore a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and we are prepared to trade our lives for the preservation of its traditional interpretation.

    The Utah Sheriffs’ Association


    **Taken from the Cache County Sheriff's Facebook page**
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcher View Post
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    The Honorable Barack Obama
    President of the United States of America
    The White House
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
    Washington, DC 20500

    Dear President Obama:

    We, the elected sheriffs of Utah, like so many of our fellow Americans, are literally heartbroken for the loved ones of the murdered victims in Connecticut. As Utahans, we are not strangers to this kind of carnage—one of the latest being the 2007 Trolley Square murders wherein nine innocents were gunned down—five losing their lives.

    We also recognize the scores of other recent domestic massacres, which have decimated countless honorable lives. As Americans, we value the sanctity of life. Furthermore, similar to our inspired Founders, we acknowledge our subservience to a higher power.

    With the number of mass shootings America has endured, it is easy to demonize firearms; it is also foolish and prejudiced. Firearms are nothing more than instruments, valuable and potentially dangerous, but instruments nonetheless. Malevolent souls, like the criminals who commit mass murders, will always exploit valuable instruments in the pursuit of evil. As professional peace officers, if we understand nothing else, we understand this: lawful violence must sometimes be employed to deter and stop criminal violence. Consequently, the citizenry must continue its ability to keep and bear arms, including arms that adequately protect them from all types of illegality.

    As your administration and Congress continue to grapple with the complex issue of firearm regulations, we pray that the Almighty will guide the People’s Representatives collectively. For that reason, it is imperative this discussion be had in Congress, not silenced unilaterally by executive orders. As you deliberate, please remember the Founders of this great nation created the Constitution, and its accompanying Bill of Rights, in an effort to protect citizens from all forms of tyrannical subjugation.

    We respect the Office of the President of the United States of America. But, make no mistake, as the duly-elected sheriffs of our respective counties, we will enforce the rights guaranteed to our citizens by the Constitution. No federal official will be permitted to descend upon our constituents and take from them what the Bill of Rights—in particular Amendment II—has given them. We, like you, swore a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and we are prepared to trade our lives for the preservation of its traditional interpretation.

    The Utah Sheriffs’ Association
    **Taken from the Cache County Sheriff's Facebook page**
    And right there in that part in bold they made a huge mistake. The sentence may as well have read, "no federal official
    is going to descend on (name the state) and take away... whatever. That is an open letter of defiance against
    Federal authority, a veiled threat to use force against Agents of The United States, and a sad thing to come from
    people who pretend to be law abiding upholders of law. The complex issues we are dealing with are political and
    need to be sorted out by the legislatures and by the courts. Sending veiled threats of resistance to The President
    is once again how we gun owners get a reputation for being thoroughly nuts.

    Added a moment later--- Is there any way to know if the letter is even authentic?
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    Strong and inspiring words. Unfortunately those words are falling upon deaf ears. Barry obama and his minions care nothing about what the founding fathers wanted. They care nothing about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They firmly believe that the federal government is the beginning and end of all things necessary for human existence in this country. The man elected president by the left in this country has had a lifetime of tutelage from radicals. He is not a blundering fool as many believe. He is not inept. On the contrary, barrack hussein obama is calculating, deliberate and plotting. Anyone who believes otherwise has not studied the influences of his past and present well enough.
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    Every one of these letters from law enforcement sends a message to D.C. Don't tread on us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    And right there in that part in bold they made a huge mistake. The sentence may as well have read, "no federal official
    is going to descend on (name the state) and take away... whatever. That is an open letter of defiance against
    Federal authority, a veiled threat to use force against Agents of The United States, and a sad thing to come from
    people who pretend to be law abiding upholders of law. The complex issues we are dealing with are political and
    need to be sorted out by the legislatures and by the courts. Sending veiled threats of resistance to The President
    is once again how we gun owners get a reputation for being thoroughly nuts.


    Added a moment later--- Is there any way to know if the letter is even authentic?

    If it's an "open letter of defiance", how can the threat be veiled? I see the authors of the letter stating that if the president will not uphold their second amendment rights then the authors of the the letter will. Can a statement of fact be veiled? Unlawful orders are just that, unlawful. I see this letter as stating this message.
    We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists. -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Added a moment later--- Is there any way to know if the letter is even authentic?

    Only as reported by the media ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberpackn View Post
    If it's an "open letter of defiance", how can the threat be veiled? I see the authors of the letter stating that if the president will not uphold their second amendment rights then the authors of the the letter will. Can a statement of fact be veiled? Unlawful orders are just that, unlawful. I see this letter as stating this message.
    The threat is not openly made within the letter, as it is couched in language that keeps it just shy of the illegal. The letter is
    open, but the threat is of violence against Federal officials doing their jobs is veiled.

    Regardless-- 1) Can anyone determine if this is authentic or just crap someone placed on Facebook.
    2) That is absolutely the wrong way to solve the problems gun owners have right now. This letter goes in the wrong direction.
    If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcher View Post
    If it is real, even from the pens of a small minority of that state's sheriffs, the Governor of Utah needs to repudiate it
    and take whatever punitive action his office enables him to take.
    If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Everyone of these letters from law enforcement sends a message to D.C. Don't tread on us.
    Yes it does, and the wrong message. It is the kind of message that will make things worse, not better.
    If the Union is once severed, the line of separation will grow wider and wider, and the controversies which are now debated and settled in the halls of legislation will then be tried in fields of battle and determined by the sword.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    The threat is not openly made within the letter, as it is couched in language that keeps it just shy of the illegal. The letter is
    open, but the threat is of violence against Federal officials doing their jobs is veiled.

    Regardless-- 1) Can anyone determine if this is authentic or just crap someone placed on Facebook.
    2) That is absolutely the wrong way to solve the problems gun owners have right now. This letter goes in the wrong direction.
    You can bet the regime sees the defiance alone as a threat.
    We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists. -

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    Good letter, I agree with Utah sheriff's.
    Turn the election's in 2014 to a "2A Revolution". It will serve as a 1994 refresher not to "infringe" on our Second Amendment. We know who they are now.........SEND 'EM HOME. Our success in this will be proportional to how hard we work to make it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Yes it does, and the wrong message. It is the kind of message that will make things worse, not better.
    Please to say how this makes it worse? To allow the president to continue to willfully circumvent, unabated, our rights under the Constitution is not a option of his office, and must be stopped post hast.

    I agree with the letter and would hope many more departments will send such letters.
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    Just another case of the federal govt over stepping is authority. Nice letter. Leave the states alone and stop trying to take away something you didn't give us in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    And right there in that part in bold they made a huge mistake. The sentence may as well have read, "no federal official is going to descend on (name the state) and take away... whatever. That is an open letter of defiance against Federal authority, a veiled threat to use force against Agents of The United States, and a sad thing to come from people who pretend to be law abiding upholders of law. The complex issues we are dealing with are political and need to be sorted out by the legislatures and by the courts. Sending veiled threats of resistance to The President is once again how we gun owners get a reputation for being thoroughly nuts.

    Added a moment later--- Is there any way to know if the letter is even authentic?
    Hopy the letter is on their facebook page as well as the Sheriff has respond in the media!

    You know over 40 years ago I swore an oath as well, but one that is not based on illegal orders! NO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, STATE OR FEDERAL, CAN CHOOSE WHICH LAWS TO OBEY OR DISOBEY! However we have the President and DHS ignoring immigration laws, we have both state and local agencies refusing to obey or enforcing the laws of the land as they see fit! My major concern as we saw in New Orleans we have LEOs disarming US Citizens via a illegal order which is in direct violation of the US Constitution! And so upheld within the legal system!

    ONLY CONGRESS CAN MAKE THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY! AND AS THE CONSTITUTION STATES, THE STATES RIGHTS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON EITHER!
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    What EXACTLY is your problem with people standing up for what they believe in? What EXACTLY is your problem with people in positions of Authority announcing that they will not allow UNLAWFUL orders to be used against their constituents? There was no veiled threat of violence in that letter, just a statement that they were going to follow the Constitution of the United States, you know the document this country was founded on. The document that gives states sovereignty.... I, and every other soldier, sailor, marine, and LEO took an oath to uphold the Constitution and to defend this country against ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN and DOMESTIC And not allow the Federal Government to run over their citizens...

    Using your logic, we would all still be speaking the Queen's english, driving on the wrong side of the road, and paying 65% of our income to the government and having to wait 3 years for a chest X-ray...

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