Heated debate with the Daughter last night.

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    Heated debate with the Daughter last night.

    Daughter(25) came up last night for dinner, and after dinner I decided to show her the clip from Hannity with only the gal shooting at the targets with each firearm.
    After that, she blasted Hannity as being an idiot, and didn't really pay attention to the conversation, other than saying that she wanted to shoot the shotties.
    I told her that we could go out and shoot (she's been shooting with the Wife and I before) but then the conversation turned to politics....LOL.
    She's going in for her concealed class tomorrow, but still mentioned that she thinks that people need to register their weapons.

    I was totally taken by surprise.
    We argued about many different things, even so far as the whole Hitler/Stalin/Polpot things.
    Could not really get her to budge to much on anything, other than she says she respects the rights, but wants people to have mandatory training, etc....
    Not sure how I can get her to move off of supporting any upcoming legislation.

    Thoughts?

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    Time to disown her and cut your losses.

    Or realize that sometimes you can't sway people to your way of thinking (even if it's obvious you are right).
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    Let's get to the root of the issue... Not to be blunt, but basically... you failed as a parent and that's what's eating at you the most I presume. There's no way to go back 25 years and start over, but hopefully you learned a valuable lesson and any future grandchildren will have a chance.... if you can keep your defective daughter from brainwashing them first.



    (EDIT: Adding a smiley face for those that don't understand humor or sarcasm so that I'm not thought of as a complete ass. I'm ok with being thought of as a partial ass.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanadon View Post
    Let's get to the root of the issue... Not to be blunt, but basically... you failed as a parent and that's what's eating at you the most I presume. There's no way to go back 25 years and start over, but hopefully you learned a valuable lesson and any future grandchildren will have a chance.... if you can keep your defective daughter from brainwashing them them first.
    chill out, dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Shot View Post
    chill out, dude.
    Dude, it's called humor. Most people get it. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by luv_jeeps View Post
    Daughter(25) came up last night for dinner, and after dinner I decided to show her the clip from Hannity with only the gal shooting at the targets with each firearm.
    After that, she blasted Hannity as being an idiot, and didn't really pay attention to the conversation, other than saying that she wanted to shoot the shotties.
    I told her that we could go out and shoot (she's been shooting with the Wife and I before) but then the conversation turned to politics....LOL.
    She's going in for her concealed class tomorrow, but still mentioned that she thinks that people need to register their weapons.

    I was totally taken by surprise.
    We argued about many different things, even so far as the whole Hitler/Stalin/Polpot things.
    Could not really get her to budge to much on anything, other than she says she respects the rights, but wants people to have mandatory training, etc....
    Not sure how I can get her to move off of supporting any upcoming legislation.

    Thoughts?
    You can't. She is 25 and has formed her own opinions for her own reasons. IF you continue to try, and if you insist
    on turning the matter into a family argument, you will lose her friendship. Let it be.
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    Yeah, I wouldn't push too hard, it won't accomplish a thing other than getting her mad at you.

    Instead, I would buy her a copy of Wayne LaPierre's book on the Second Amendment and ask her to read it sometime when she's feeling open to ideas other than her own.

    The problem with being 25 is you're old enough to think that you've earned your opinion and too young to realize that you really don't know much at all. If you've raised her to rely on her own smarts, she'll eventually understand why you can't allow your rights to be taken away in short, painless shots.
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    Heated debate with the Daughter last night.

    Let it go. At least she is not anti-gun
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    My kids were 25 years old at one time. At that time I'd probably try to cram my point of view down their throats. I've realized now part of their postion is inserting their new-found independence. Being wiser now, if I make some statement and they counter with the opposite, I just sort of shrug and smile and move the subject onward to avoid escalation.

    I think it makes them feel less pressured, and I'm always hopeful that'll add to their wisdom one day.
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    You probably can't. When our children are that age, it is natural for them to reject the traditions of the previous generation. Only with age and experience do they see things clearly, and some never do. You are an influence, don't get me wrong, but think of how much time she spends with her friends and co-workers and people in her own age group who also influence her thought process. Think of the imbalance there and add in her own natural rejection of tradition and history in her search for the "truth". We all go thru this growing up, and she will to. But your influence is being looged in her memory banks and she will at some point, realize the wisdom of age and experience. There are plent of people an opportunities to argue politics and gun control with,The time we spend with our children IMHO, is more valuable than those issues. Time passes very quickly, I would try to convince her that it is best if the time is spent enjoying a peaceful father daughter relationship, and save the arguements for people outside the family. She won't change your mind, and you won't change hers.
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    ...I have 3 boys and their Mother...been down that road with Mama...drip, drip, drip...and babysteps...she's come from "don't need a gun, God will protect us" all the way through to her permit, her .38, and hungry to master the Ruger P90...(I'll be in trouble, then, unless I can find another one)...I did best by agreeing with her when she came in raving about some "new truth" that she'd heard/read/seen from somebody ELSE...(that I'd told her several times before) and didn't say "I told you so"...wimmen are strange and wunnerful critters!!!


    ...logic may not get through at all...or she may hear enough in the class (others' wisdom) to come around...about all you can do is watch and pray!!! glad she's becoming one of us, EVERY sane woman needs to have a gun...and that's my final answer...

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    I think it has a lot to do with this generation. I dont know what type of career she has but when you work with a bunch of liberals the brainwashing starts. The people she hangs out with can influance her, The MEDIA, But I wouldn't spend all my time arguing over this with her, We are only here for a little while. Spend the time wisely. Like it says in the good book dont cast your pearls before swine. ( Im not calling her swine , its just a figure of speech. In other words you plant the seed and what happens after is out of your hands. You did your part)

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    Re: Heated debate with the Daughter last night.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanadon View Post
    Dude, it's called humor. Most people get it. ;-)

    What a partial ass!


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    Quote Originally Posted by luv_jeeps View Post
    Daughter(25) came up last night for dinner, and after dinner I decided to show her the clip from Hannity with only the gal shooting at the targets with each firearm.
    After that, she blasted Hannity as being an idiot, and didn't really pay attention to the conversation, other than saying that she wanted to shoot the shotties.
    I told her that we could go out and shoot (she's been shooting with the Wife and I before) but then the conversation turned to politics....LOL.
    She's going in for her concealed class tomorrow, but still mentioned that she thinks that people need to register their weapons.

    I was totally taken by surprise.
    We argued about many different things, even so far as the whole Hitler/Stalin/Polpot things.
    Could not really get her to budge to much on anything, other than she says she respects the rights, but wants people to have mandatory training, etc....
    Not sure how I can get her to move off of supporting any upcoming legislation.

    Thoughts?
    This conversation reminds me of the passing of the Patriot Act; "Well, if you have nothing to hide, then why would you care if the government tracks ______ or logs ______ or if ______ must be registered or if ______ require an ID or.......?"

    Let's face it, the concealed carry permitting system in some places seems almost designed to discourage people. Even here in Tennessee, I paid over $300.00 get mine initially, with the class, permit, fingerprinting, certified copy of my birth certificate, etc.....

    So I would ask her the following:

    Why should the law-abiding citizen be required to register their weapons when any punk can slip one in his waistband and go?

    Why should the law-abiding citizen be required to be trained when any punk can grab one and pull the trigger?

    In short, why does she support the requirements for a law-abiding citizen to be put under such scrutiny when it doesn't apply to the criminals? That is the essence of gun control in the first place; only law-abiding citizens honor or respect it.

    And don't get me wrong, I fully support all gun owners to be as well-trained as their time and money will allow, but I'll never support registration schemes.
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    There isn't a tougher job in this world, than parenting. All of us with that experience would probably agree.

    I'm a conservative who votes primarily a straight Republican ticket, all the time. There are exceptions, but not many. My oldest child, just to go against what her father has taught her, supports every liberal cause that comes down the pike. Voting with her heart, not her brain I tell her, and I remind her that one day she'll wise up. Regret to tell you, it hasn't happened yet, and she's over thirty, married, with three children.

    I just sum it up with "It is what it Is". :)
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