Good news on gun control from an un-named Democrat

This is a discussion on Good news on gun control from an un-named Democrat within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by Mike1956 Unsubstantiated claims from an unnamed source is good information? What, precisely, have we won? New York just overwhelmingly approved legislation which ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Unsubstantiated claims from an unnamed source is good information? What, precisely, have we won? New York just overwhelmingly approved legislation which makes the '94 ban look lame. California isn't far behind.

    The Ny "laws" have yet to be challenged when they are they won't stand, a class action Fed suit is in the works now . Their willingness to pass illegal laws notwithstanding , it is our job to make sure they are challenged and whenever possible they fail from the challenges. Clearly the New York "laws" go directly against the latest SCOTUS rulings and I'm seriously doubting that any Fed court challenge will not point this reality out making it quite clear.

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    In NY it's not so much what they tell you as what they dont tell you, since we already know how they act expections for honorable actions and truth should be low however this article will give you some insight into what they really intended from the beginning. I fount the part about how releasing the information would "dampen enthusiasm for compromise".. Always remember that "Compromise" is what got us here, had the NRA did their job upfront in the beginning they wouldnt have spent our millions on compromising away rights we already owned ..and still do regardless of their deals.

    NY Democrat pleads with Republican not to share document proposing confiscation of guns - The Commentator

    "The State of New York this week passed some of the strictest gun control laws in the United States, effectively outlawing 'assault weapons' and limiting the size of magazines.
    But if Republican Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin is to be believed, the New York State Democrats would have gone further if they could have. Much, much further.
    In a video posted to his Facebook page, McLaughlin has shared the information of a 'secret' Democrat proposal not simply to make the purchasing of the crudely monikered 'assault weapons' illegal in New York, but also to engage in a mass confiscation programme, removing Americans' weapons from their possession."

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    I've read though several of the replies and there is one glaring issue that is not being addressed here.. Please permit me.

    1st. A right exists by God's gift as does life.

    2nd. A right is similar to your honor only . It cannot be taken, stolen or denied, it can only be surrendered, by you the owner.

    3rd. You don't choose your rights you have them from birth, you may choose to secure other rights for yourself, family and others at your discretion by your god given right of Free Will and keep them as long as you can defend those rights.
    We find ourselves in a predicament today founded on the prerequisite is intentional ignorance through the educational process by educators who have chosen to lie and misdirect the education of three or four generations of America's children for their own politcal gain. You will never miss what you didnt know you had in the first place. That ignorance combined socially corrupted family structure, corrupt politicians, complicit treasonous media and business has us arguing points that don't matter and issues that don't exist all to misdirect our efforts from the real threat to our liberty.
    The longer they can keep us arguing about what our rights are we will never know when it's time to use them.

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    I think what is happening is the media will put out such statements like that to give false hope. They are sneaky, so i think they want to put sort of a balance, while they crumble our bill of rights. They have to give us a little hope to keep people from going all out and taking to the streets and also to try to keep us silent. It seems to me that the courts do whatever obama wants, yet they have to go through the motions to make it appear as though they are impartial, all the while knowing what the outcome is gonna be. Just like the health care "law" or "tax", I mean Penalty, whatever it is. We are heading towards a one world government my friends!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamYanky View Post
    I've read though several of the replies and there is one glaring issue that is not being addressed here.. Please permit me.

    1st. A right exists by God's gift as does life.

    2nd. A right is similar to your honor only . It cannot be taken, stolen or denied, it can only be surrendered, by you the owner.

    3rd. You don't choose your rights you have them from birth, you may choose to secure other rights for yourself, family and others at your discretion by your god given right of Free Will and keep them as long as you can defend those rights.
    We find ourselves in a predicament today founded on the prerequisite is intentional ignorance through the educational process by educators who have chosen to lie and misdirect the education of three or four generations of America's children for their own politcal gain. You will never miss what you didnt know you had in the first place. That ignorance combined socially corrupted family structure, corrupt politicians, complicit treasonous media and business has us arguing points that don't matter and issues that don't exist all to misdirect our efforts from the real threat to our liberty.
    The longer they can keep us arguing about what our rights are we will never know when it's time to use them.

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    Couldn't agree more! Very well stated

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevTracy View Post
    This president has no regard for the Constitution or what it stands for. So today (just as he did yesterday) he will swear an oath he has no intention of keeping. That being said, we need to keep pressure on our elected officials and support those groups that defend the second amendment...we also MUST speak to friends and family about this issue. It is going to take a grass-roots effort to stop Feinstein, Reed, King Cuomo, and Obama. If we don't stand up for our rights we will lose them. However, if we do keep the pressure up Obama will not get away with using an executive order.

    As others have said, do not get complacent and think this is a short-term battle. The anti-gun fanatics are in it for the long haul. I've used the anti-smoking campaign as an example. They started with small steps, chipping away at smoker's rights: no smoking in elevators, then lobbies, then office buildings, then 100 feet from the door of a building, then entire school properties...now in some places a smoker can't exercise his/her right in their own home. As they passed laws they also began brainwashing young people. This has resulted in demonizing smokers almost to the point of making them evil. Now I am not a smoker...nor do I condone smoking, but my point is that this is what the anti-gun lobby will do, and have been doing. Take small steps until they have taken all guns and demonized those of us who are gun enthusiasts. We must stand together and fight, or we will see the loss of our second amendment rights...and that will be quickly followed by the loss of other Constitutional rights.
    This smoking thing and 16 oz soda thing is all a test. They want to see how far they can push without any resistance. Its also about trying to make the people feel like an outcast, or unexceptable. Its a way of making people feel like they are little kids and the government is their "caring parents" ALL ABOUT CONTROL! starts with smokes, and keeps on rolling! Dont let all the blood of good Americans be in vein. All who shed bloeseod to keep us a free people, we owe it to them to do our part and get these communist socialist out of office. The colleges are brainwashing these kids to be soft wimps.. God help us

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    Personally, I think all this 'grand manuevering' on the president's part is to distract people from the economy and their failure (both sides) to fix a dang thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    These facts are what folks in the magic industry call misdirections.
    I'm unsure why you say that? In fact, the FactCheck.org link clearly states that he was a professor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2jlking View Post
    I'm unsure why you say that? In fact, the FactCheck.org link clearly states that he was a professor.
    Whether he was a senior lecturer or a professor, both or neither has no bearing on his push to demolish the Second Amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aceoky View Post
    The Ny "laws" have yet to be challenged when they are they won't stand, a class action Fed suit is in the works now . Their willingness to pass illegal laws notwithstanding , it is our job to make sure they are challenged and whenever possible they fail from the challenges. Clearly the New York "laws" go directly against the latest SCOTUS rulings and I'm seriously doubting that any Fed court challenge will not point this reality out making it quite clear.
    Unless you are a judge at the District level or higher, your legal renderings here afford the gun owners of New York no comfort.
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    First of all, I believe the original comment was misinformation planted to reduce objections to infringements of our constitutional rights. Our Second Amendment rights are at danger is long as Congress is in session. Secondly, registration is not a small matter. We all know what follows gun registration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Unless you are a judge at the District level or higher, your legal renderings here afford the gun owners of New York no comfort.
    Yeah, I gotta agree. They should be unconstitutional but unless/until they are actually overturned, that really doesn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Whether he was a senior lecturer or a professor, both or neither has no bearing on his push to demolish the Second Amendment.
    Got it. Thanks. I agree...I believe this president is the biggest threat to the Second Amendment in my lifetime.

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    Thanks for the info in this thread. I will go out on a limb and make a prediction. One thing will make it through: 100% background checks, basically no private sales at gun shows. We all know the private sales will be impossible to follow, but it will make all the lefties fell oh so good---They will wake up and eat some GMO-free granola with GMO-free soy milk, go to Starbucks get a $10 coffee, and go for a bike ride...dragging their copy of the Constitution behind them.

    ...And IF the Dems get a majority in both houses in 2014, you better start burying the guns you got!
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